Katrina fall-out

On 2005-09-01, john smith wrote:
Dylan Smith wrote:
It would have to be 'whatever' because tens of thousands of New Orleans
residents DO NOT own cars and there aren't enough buses to go around.

100 city buses each carrying 75 people 200 miles inland could relocate
65,000 people in three days, distributing them so as not to cause an
undue burden on any one geographic are and resources.

The math doesn't work out for that.
The roads were jam packed leaving New Orleans, with traffic moving very
slowly. 80% of the population was already in their cars, and the
freeways were choked.
A contraflow was set up on major routes, so the return trip
would have had to have been made on more minor routes. Average speeds
for the city buses would have been 15 mph at best from sitting in
traffic for hours followed by a relatively slow run (city buses don't
tend to have a particularly high speed due to their normal usage
patterns) once they were in the clear.

What 100 city buses could do in a non-emergency situation when the
freeways had normal traffic flows is totally irrelevant to what they can
do when every major route is running at parking lot speeds.

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Dylan Smith wrote:

What 100 city buses could do in a non-emergency situation when the
freeways had normal traffic flows is totally irrelevant to what they can
do when every major route is running at parking lot speeds.

16 hour drive from New Orleans to Houston according to a namesake I
frequently communicate with from there. Course they didn't need to take
them that far, but any the city buses could have removed, would have
been more than doing nothing until now with imported buses...

Must be the scenic route as Houston is something like 350 miles on I-10.

I-10. I-59, and I-55 were one way out bound so getting busses back would
be a challenge.

"Darrel Toepfer" wrote in message
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Dylan Smith wrote:

What 100 city buses could do in a non-emergency situation when the
freeways had normal traffic flows is totally irrelevant to what they
can
do when every major route is running at parking lot speeds.

16 hour drive from New Orleans to Houston according to a namesake I
frequently communicate with from there. Course they didn't need to
take them that far, but any the city buses could have removed, would
have been more than doing nothing until now with imported buses...

sfb wrote:

Must be the scenic route as Houston is something like 350 miles on I-10.

I-10. I-59, and I-55 were one way out bound so getting busses back would
be a challenge.

Only the news people run towards a disaster about to happen... Blew
through from Pensicola to Louisiana back in the late 70's or early 80's
while a storm was hitting Dauphin Island, 85mph through the tunnel in
Mobile...

We were the only fools on the road...

Hindsight, should have stayed in north Florida, I-10 was closed for 4
days and we could have collected pay for it...

What 100 city buses could do in a non-emergency situation when the
freeways had normal traffic flows is totally irrelevant to what they can
do when every major route is running at parking lot speeds.

16 hour drive from New Orleans to Houston according to a namesake I
frequently communicate with from there. Course they didn't need to take
them that far, but any the city buses could have removed, would have
been more than doing nothing until now with imported buses...

What about trains?
Are there rail lines that run into New Orleans?
You can move thousands with boxcars and flatcars and a couple engines.

john smith wrote:

What about trains?
Are there rail lines that run into New Orleans?
You can move thousands with boxcars and flatcars and a couple engines.

6 class A rail lines I think the mayor stated...

Darrel Toepfer wrote in message
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john smith wrote:

What about trains?
Are there rail lines that run into New Orleans?
You can move thousands with boxcars and flatcars and a couple engines.

6 class A rail lines I think the mayor stated...

I don't know exactly where this is, but some of those rail lines have turned
into shipping lines:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/274104

- Rick

You can't be serious? Using boxcars would be too reminiscent of the
Holocaust.

"john smith" wrote in message news:Y2NRe.61330
What about trains?
Are there rail lines that run into New Orleans?
You can move thousands with boxcars and flatcars and a couple engines.

"sfb" wrote in message news:_aPRe.18405$um2.5851@trnddc03...
You can't be serious? Using boxcars would be too reminiscent of the
Holocaust.

"john smith" wrote in message news:Y2NRe.61330
What about trains?
Are there rail lines that run into New Orleans?
You can move thousands with boxcars and flatcars and a couple engines.

Hardly,

Using railcars to take people TO life is the antithesis of the Holocaust.

Jay B

sfb wrote:
You can't be serious? Using boxcars would be too reminiscent of the
Holocaust.

"john smith" wrote in message news:Y2NRe.61330

What about trains?
Are there rail lines that run into New Orleans?
You can move thousands with boxcars and flatcars and a couple engines.

Yes, I did realize that, which is why I did not include a reference to
it in my original posting.
The difference being that the boxcars would not be locked in this case
and the conditions at the destinations would be significantly better
than those of the previous reference.
If the passengers are too small minded to realize these differences and
choose not to escape then one has to question their intelligence.
Take the train and live, or stay in New Orleans and suffer or die?
Personal choice determines their fate.