Katrina fall-out

The challenge getting folks on the bus three days in advance is an
exercise left to the reader.

Friday morning, Katrina was a cat 1 just south of Naples, Florida some
600 miles from New Orleans. The west coast of Florida was still on
hurricane watches and warnings so motivating anybody in New Orleans to
evacuate would have been difficult.

"john smith" wrote in message
.. .
Dylan Smith wrote:
It would have to be 'whatever' because tens of thousands of New
Orleans
residents DO NOT own cars and there aren't enough buses to go around.

100 city buses each carrying 75 people 200 miles inland could
relocate 65,000 people in three days, distributing them so as not to
cause an undue burden on any one geographic are and resources.

In article 6BDRe.7684$__1.2678@trnddc07, "sfb" wrote:

The challenge getting folks on the bus three days in advance is an
exercise left to the reader.

Friday morning, Katrina was a cat 1 just south of Naples, Florida some
600 miles from New Orleans. The west coast of Florida was still on
hurricane watches and warnings so motivating anybody in New Orleans to
evacuate would have been difficult.


You beat me to my thoughts. If you go through the NOAA archives you'll
see that even at noon on Saturday there was a 5% it would strike
either Cedar Key, FL or Galveston, TX. The chance of it passing within
65 nm of NO at that point was calculated as only about 20% (admittedly
it was at the top of the list at 20%). I don't think anyone outside a
Usenet heel digging contest would seriously propose evacuating 20
million people every time a cat 1 storm wanders into the gulf.

"Pixel Dent" wrote

I don't think anyone outside a
Usenet heel digging contest would seriously propose evacuating 20
million people every time a cat 1 storm wanders into the gulf.

True, but this was Cat 5, and in favorable conditions to build, or stay the
same. I hope we all have learned something from this. There is no safe
place, on the coast with a Cat 4 or 5.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote:

True, but this was Cat 5, and in favorable conditions to build, or
stay the
same.

Not until late in the game:

HURRICANE KATRINA FORECAST/ADVISORY NUMBER 17
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL122005
1500Z SAT AUG 27 2005

AT 10 AM CDT...1500Z...A HURRICANE WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR THE
SOUTHEASTERN COAST OF LOUISIANA EAST OF MORGAN CITY TO THE MOUTH OF
THE PEARL RIVER...INCLUDING METROPOLITAN NEW ORLEANS AND LAKE
PONCHARTRAIN. A HURRICANE WATCH MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS
ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN THE WATCH AREA...GENERALLY WITHIN 36 HOURS.

A HURRICANE WATCH WILL LIKELY BE REQUIRED FOR OTHER PORTIONS OF THE
NORTHERN GULF COAST LATER TODAY OR TONIGHT. INTERESTS IN THIS AREA
SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF KATRINA.

HURRICANE CENTER LOCATED NEAR 24.5N 85.0W AT 27/1500Z
POSITION ACCURATE WITHIN 10 NM

PRESENT MOVEMENT TOWARD THE WEST OR 275 DEGREES AT 6 KT

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE 940 MB
EYE DIAMETER 10 NM
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS 100 KT WITH GUSTS TO 120 KT.


I hope we all have learned something from this. There is no safe
place, on the coast with a Cat 4 or 5.

By the time Katrina was a Cat. 5, it was too late for total evacuation
of the impact zone.

"Dan Luke" wrote

Not until late in the game:

HURRICANE KATRINA FORECAST/ADVISORY NUMBER 17
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL122005
1500Z SAT AUG 27 2005

Boy, I would have bet money, on this one. It sure seems different looking
back at it.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Pixel Dent" wrote

I don't think anyone outside a
Usenet heel digging contest would seriously propose evacuating 20
million people every time a cat 1 storm wanders into the gulf.

True, but this was Cat 5, and in favorable conditions to build, or stay
the
same. I hope we all have learned something from this. There is no safe
place, on the coast with a Cat 4 or 5.
--
Jim in NC


If all the money for the Corps of Engineers wasn't sent to Iraq, the
infrastructure around New Orleans could have been improved to the point
where most people could go home now. Smaller hurricanes wouldn't require
any evacuation. Supposedly the cost was under $1B.

Mike
MU-2

The Corps of Engineers budget is a long running smoke and mirrors
political game where the administration goes low so the Congresscritters
can get the credit for adding stuff the local folks want. The Corps
doesn't think the improvements would have made a difference as Katrina
drove water over the top of the levees undermining the dry side.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
news:uwQRe.3684

If all the money for the Corps of Engineers wasn't sent to Iraq, the
infrastructure around New Orleans could have been improved to the
point where most people could go home now. Smaller hurricanes
wouldn't require any evacuation. Supposedly the cost was under $1B.

Mike
MU-2

There was a plan to improve the whole system including raising the levees to
withstand a Cat 5


Mike
MU-2

"sfb" wrote in message news:PaRRe.8100$__1.4958@trnddc07...
The Corps of Engineers budget is a long running smoke and mirrors
political game where the administration goes low so the Congresscritters
can get the credit for adding stuff the local folks want. The Corps
doesn't think the improvements would have made a difference as Katrina
drove water over the top of the levees undermining the dry side.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message news:uwQRe.3684

If all the money for the Corps of Engineers wasn't sent to Iraq, the
infrastructure around New Orleans could have been improved to the point
where most people could go home now. Smaller hurricanes wouldn't require
any evacuation. Supposedly the cost was under $1B.

Mike
MU-2

When it comes to spending money, the Federal government always has a
plan for everything. Some plans are more real than others. The President
proposes and the Congress disposes so apparently the Louisiana
Congressional delegation couldn't or wouldn't make the case. It would be
interesting to where else in Louisiana the Corps has been spending money
recently.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...
There was a plan to improve the whole system including raising the
levees to withstand a Cat 5


Mike
MU-2

"sfb" wrote in message
news:PaRRe.8100$__1.4958@trnddc07...
The Corps of Engineers budget is a long running smoke and mirrors
political game where the administration goes low so the
Congresscritters can get the credit for adding stuff the local folks
want. The Corps doesn't think the improvements would have made a
difference as Katrina drove water over the top of the levees
undermining the dry side.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
news:uwQRe.3684

If all the money for the Corps of Engineers wasn't sent to Iraq, the
infrastructure around New Orleans could have been improved to the
point where most people could go home now. Smaller hurricanes
wouldn't require any evacuation. Supposedly the cost was under $1B.

Mike
MU-2

In article et,
"Mike Rapoport" wrote:

If all the money for the Corps of Engineers wasn't sent to Iraq,

another source of money could be all the money ****ed away
on failed social programs

the
infrastructure around New Orleans could have been improved to the point
where most people could go home now.

Three words: Environmental impact study

Can't you imagine all the people that would be complaining about
the noise and dust and stuff from the construction near where they live?

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule