While we're talking about Garmin GPS

Actually, he went through every single page in the 430 in detail, but either
didn't stress the position twiddle, or I simply forgot how to use it. Most
users don't employ every feature, and that doesn't necessarily mean a lack
of proficiency or under-utilization of the box. In this specific case, the
NRST function works great, with the same number of knob clicks.

FYI, this CFII has about 12,000 hours with at least 2/3 of that instruction
given. He's trained 3 generations of instructors on the west coast using
virtually every NAV gizmo made for GA, and is universally respected and
regarded as one of the best around. My sincere hope your is that your
inference about proficiency or lack thereof is limited to this one anecdotal
oversight.


Perhaps you categorized it much better than I ever could, an "informal"
course
that perhaps was not as effective as you needed it to be. My clients spend
3 to
5 days with me at their location in their aircraft and with the software
in
their aircraft.

I sincerely hope that your CFII was not as neglegent in the VNAV
programming,
runway extension, motion control without gyros using the map,
auto-zooming,
etc.

I am still surprised at how little proficiency most owner operators have
in the
use of their equipment. Your statement that your CFII never showed you the
VOR
position page clarifies what his own proficiency level is.

I hope you are able to learn what you need in your Garmin 430, and of
course if
you can find someone within your budget that would even be better.


paul k. sanchez, cfii-mei
on eagles' wings
2011 south perimeter road, suite g
fort lauderdale, florida 33309-7135
305-389-1742 wireless
954-776-0527 fax
954-345-4276 home/fax

The flight plan page works just fine, and covers the entire route.

Windecks wrote:

Actually, he went through every single page in the 430 in detail, but either
didn't stress the position twiddle, or I simply forgot how to use it. Most
users don't employ every feature, and that doesn't necessarily mean a lack
of proficiency or under-utilization of the box. In this specific case, the
NRST function works great, with the same number of knob clicks.

FYI, this CFII has about 12,000 hours with at least 2/3 of that instruction
given. He's trained 3 generations of instructors on the west coast using
virtually every NAV gizmo made for GA, and is universally respected and
regarded as one of the best around. My sincere hope your is that your
inference about proficiency or lack thereof is limited to this one anecdotal
oversight.

Perhaps you categorized it much better than I ever could, an "informal"
course
that perhaps was not as effective as you needed it to be. My clients spend
3 to
5 days with me at their location in their aircraft and with the software
in
their aircraft.

I sincerely hope that your CFII was not as neglegent in the VNAV
programming,
runway extension, motion control without gyros using the map,
auto-zooming,
etc.

I am still surprised at how little proficiency most owner operators have
in the
use of their equipment. Your statement that your CFII never showed you the
VOR
position page clarifies what his own proficiency level is.

I hope you are able to learn what you need in your Garmin 430, and of
course if
you can find someone within your budget that would even be better.


paul k. sanchez, cfii-mei
on eagles' wings
2011 south perimeter road, suite g
fort lauderdale, florida 33309-7135
305-389-1742 wireless
954-776-0527 fax
954-345-4276 home/fax

Actually, he went through every single page in the 430 in detail, but either
didn't stress the position twiddle, or I simply forgot how to use it. Most
users don't employ every feature, and that doesn't necessarily mean a lack of
proficiency or under-utilization of the box. In this specific case, the NRST
function works great, with the same number of knob clicks.

FYI, this CFII has about 12,000 hours with at least 2/3 of that instruction
given. He's trained 3 generations of instructors on the west coast using
virtually every NAV gizmo made for GA, and is universally respected and
regarded as one of the best around. My sincere hope your is that your
inference about proficiency or lack thereof is limited to this one anecdotal
oversight.


I would suggest recounting the number of clicks. To go from NAV page 2 to NRST
page 4 requires 3 clicks of large knob (NAV-WPT-AUX-NRST), and then of course
from NRST page 1 to the correct VOR page would require 3 additional clicks of
the small knob (NRST airport-NDB-intersection-VOR). I count 6 clicks of large
and small knob using your prefered method, vs 2 of the small knob going from
NAV2 to NAV4 using my suggestion. Or did I miss something?

And of course I sincerely hope that you are indeed quite happy with the Garmin
430 training. Hopefully you got all that you wanted (and even more importantly
what you needed).


paul k. sanchez, cfii-mei
on eagles’ wings
2011 south perimeter road, suite g
fort lauderdale, florida 33309-7135
305-389-1742 wireless
954-776-0527 fax
954-345-4276 home/fax

With 2 other moving maps available my 430 is usally set to NAV 1 page. If
the VOR NRST has been previously selected it's 3 clicks to either NAV 4 or
VOR NRST. If it hasn't then it's 3 and 6 respectively.

Thanks again for your tips and concern. The 430 is a complex piece of gear
that indeed requires good training and ongoing practice to use effectively.
While I'm comfortable with it, with only 100 or so hours of actual usage in
my own plane I'm still learning and improving my technique.

A newly minted PP-ASEL friend just bought a Cherokee 6 he uses to fly his
family around, and has installed dual 430s. It's painful to watch him
struggle with the units, with 10-15+ seconds of heads-down time not unusual
while he tries to use basic features. In addition to giving some pointers I
constantly urge him to get some training software or take a course, but so
far with no success. You can lead a horse to water but.....


I would suggest recounting the number of clicks. To go from NAV page 2 to
NRST
page 4 requires 3 clicks of large knob (NAV-WPT-AUX-NRST), and then of
course
from NRST page 1 to the correct VOR page would require 3 additional clicks
of
the small knob (NRST airport-NDB-intersection-VOR). I count 6 clicks of
large
and small knob using your prefered method, vs 2 of the small knob going
from
NAV2 to NAV4 using my suggestion. Or did I miss something?

And of course I sincerely hope that you are indeed quite happy with the
Garmin
430 training. Hopefully you got all that you wanted (and even more
importantly
what you needed).


paul k. sanchez, cfii-mei
on eagles' wings
2011 south perimeter road, suite g
fort lauderdale, florida 33309-7135
305-389-1742 wireless
954-776-0527 fax
954-345-4276 home/fax