While we're talking about Garmin GPS

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

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And, that is where having the route as a flight plan loaded into the
Garmin
would be useful.


Since all the necessary information is provided by the more traditional nav
gear, just how is it useful to load the flight plan into the Garmin?

It provides an electronic "how goes it" log and ensures you fly legs rather
than direct-to. When the new "G" capstone routes in SE Alaska fire up, there
won't be any underlying VOR route structure, so it will become even more useful
to have a flight plan loaded.

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It provides an electronic "how goes it" log and ensures you fly legs
rather than direct-to.


As does the more traditional nav gear. So nothing is gained by having the
route as a flight plan loaded into the Garmin.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:


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It provides an electronic "how goes it" log and ensures you fly legs
rather than direct-to.


As does the more traditional nav gear. So nothing is gained by having the
route as a flight plan loaded into the Garmin.

When you're *at* a waypoint, it shouldn't make a difference by which means
you've identified the waypoint. You're there. That's what you report.

As I understand this conversation, it's when you're not at a way point that
this discussion rears its head.

However, that does beg the question: on an IFR flight, when would you report
your position while not at a waypoint? I suppose ATC might ask for some
unknown reason (RADAR failure, and shifting into non-RADAR mode, perhaps?),
but I've never experienced that myself.

- Andrew

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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When you're *at* a waypoint, it shouldn't make a difference by which means
you've identified the waypoint. You're there. That's what you report.

As I understand this conversation, it's when you're not at a way point
that
this discussion rears its head.

However, that does beg the question: on an IFR flight, when would you
report
your position while not at a waypoint? I suppose ATC might ask for some
unknown reason (RADAR failure, and shifting into non-RADAR mode,
perhaps?),
but I've never experienced that myself.


We're on an airway in a nonradar environment. The GPS provides no more
information than the more traditional nav gear.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

We're on an airway in a nonradar environment. The GPS provides no more
information than the more traditional nav gear.

We are? Looks around I don't think so.

The OP didn't state this, so I'm not sure from where you picked it up.
Looking at the original posting, there was no context provided as to why a
position report was being given. He or she did mention "IFR proficiency
flight", but perhaps they were flying VFR with the left-seater under the
hood.

If one were on an IFR flight plan, RADAR or not, I cannot see the need
expressed by the original poster. Reports are at waypoints, and - however
one knows this - one is *at* the waypoint. What to report is therefore
pretty obvious.

You do know that, right?

So, I'm guessing that he or she was referring to VFR. But I don't pretend
to be omniscient, so I'll have to leave it at "I don't know". Care to try
it yourself?

- Andrew

Could be in climb out in a non radar environment upon initial call up to
ATC. We have to do it all the time when we open our flight plan with FSS on
the ground, take off from STE and then call ATC. Because radar doesn't pick
us up until about 3500MSL, they usually give us a squawk code and ask for a
position report. At that time we are usually neither on an airway or on an
airway and may be filled Direct /G. Granted, the original post did not
specify any of these conditions, it's just one instance that I've
experienced several times and the NRST page makes it handy.
--
Jim Burns III

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"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

We're on an airway in a nonradar environment. The GPS provides no more
information than the more traditional nav gear.

We are? Looks around I don't think so.

The OP didn't state this, so I'm not sure from where you picked it up.
Looking at the original posting, there was no context provided as to why a
position report was being given. He or she did mention "IFR proficiency
flight", but perhaps they were flying VFR with the left-seater under the
hood.

If one were on an IFR flight plan, RADAR or not, I cannot see the need
expressed by the original poster. Reports are at waypoints, and - however
one knows this - one is *at* the waypoint. What to report is therefore
pretty obvious.

You do know that, right?

So, I'm guessing that he or she was referring to VFR. But I don't pretend
to be omniscient, so I'll have to leave it at "I don't know". Care to try
it yourself?

- Andrew

well, I took it he was not on an IFR flight plan at the time of needing to
give his position, that being said, he could launch then pick up the clearence
in the air then would need to be able to give his position.

Jeff

Andrew Gideon wrote:


If one were on an IFR flight plan, RADAR or not, I cannot see the need
expressed by the original poster. Reports are at waypoints, and - however
one knows this - one is *at* the waypoint. What to report is therefore
pretty obvious.

You do know that, right?

So, I'm guessing that he or she was referring to VFR. But I don't pretend
to be omniscient, so I'll have to leave it at "I don't know". Care to try
it yourself?

- Andrew

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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We are?


Yup.



Looks around I don't think so.


You'd probably think differently if you had bothered to read the entire
thread before posting. Backtrack a few messages and you'll find this posted
by Airperson on 11/25:

"I presume you mean non-radar full position reports. That is where having
the
route as a flight plan would be quite useful."



The OP didn't state this, so I'm not sure from where you picked it up.
Looking at the original posting, there was no context provided as to why a
position report was being given. He or she did mention "IFR proficiency
flight", but perhaps they were flying VFR with the left-seater under the
hood.

If one were on an IFR flight plan, RADAR or not, I cannot see the need
expressed by the original poster. Reports are at waypoints, and - however
one knows this - one is *at* the waypoint. What to report is therefore
pretty obvious.

You do know that, right?


Oh, I know all about it.



So, I'm guessing that he or she was referring to VFR. But I don't pretend
to be omniscient, so I'll have to leave it at "I don't know". Care to try
it yourself?


Read all of the messages and I think it will become clear to you.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

You'd probably think differently if you had bothered to read the entire
thread before posting. Backtrack a few messages and you'll find this
posted by Airperson on 11/25:

"I presume you mean non-radar full position reports. That is where having
the
route as a flight plan would be quite useful."

Ah yes. And "presume" means "I'm sure I know what the OP meant".

- Andrew