The President Is Not Making Any Friends With His 3,000 Square Mile TFRs

On 1 Sep 2005 13:51:21 -0700, "Yossarian"
wrote in .com::

I know this guy and the instructor in question. In fact I was with the
instructor when the guy called afterwards to talk about the incident.
He has no business playing the role of a victim as it sounds in the
article.

Given the fact that the F-16s had to fire flairs to get the pilot's
attention, I would have to agree with you. I'm wondering why he
didn't he tune to 121.5 MHz per intercept procedures. Did the CFI
brief those procedures?

He told the CFI that he tried 121.5 but got no response. How true that
is I have no idea. Instead he was able to contact Socal Approach who
said that they had been watching him for a while and that he needed to
land immediately.

He wasn't one of the ones that got flares. I think that would look
kinda cool personally (as long as it wasn't my license on the line


Larry Dighera wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 13:51:21 -0700, "Yossarian"
wrote in .com::

I know this guy and the instructor in question. In fact I was with the
instructor when the guy called afterwards to talk about the incident.
He has no business playing the role of a victim as it sounds in the
article.

Given the fact that the F-16s had to fire flairs to get the pilot's
attention, I would have to agree with you. I'm wondering why he
didn't he tune to 121.5 MHz per intercept procedures. Did the CFI
brief those procedures?

On 1 Sep 2005 22:00:29 -0700, "Yossarian"
wrote in .com::

He told the CFI that he tried 121.5 but got no response.

If that's true, it points out another flaw in our government's
potentially lethal security procedures. If we allow these ill
conceived anti-terror measures to continue, they will result in our
government killing its citizens yet. Osoma's got this administration
chasing its tail in public. Very disappointing.

I wonder if it's possible to locate any ATC tapes containing his 121.5
contact attempt. Does the FAA routinely record voice activity on the
Guard frequency?

On 2005-09-01, Larry Dighera wrote:
Given the fact that the F-16s had to fire flairs to get the pilot's
attention, I would have to agree with you. I'm wondering why he
didn't he tune to 121.5 MHz per intercept procedures. Did the CFI
brief those procedures?

You know, last time I was in the US (just a couple of weeks ago) I did
quite a lot of cross country flying. I listened to 121.5. On our trip
from SLC to Idaho, I heard calls from Cowboy approach call two separate
aircraft that busted a charted and hot piece of restricted airspace.

Then on my way from Snyder, TX. to Houston, I passed a few miles to the
south of the massive TFR around Bush's ranch. I knew it was hot because
I had checked the NOTAMs just before departing Snyder. I heard two
pilots bust that one too, being called on 121.5.

None of these pilots actually replied or changed heading. I was half
tempted to key the mike and tell the military controller, "You know, the
kind of pilot who busts a huge charted restricted area is probably not
the kind of pilot who listens to 121.5"... there was just no excuse with
these two restricted areas, both were prominently charted and well
known.

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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 09:37:34 -0000, Dylan Smith
wrote in
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"You know, the
kind of pilot who busts a huge charted restricted area is probably not
the kind of pilot who listens to 121.5"... there was just no excuse with
these two restricted areas, both were prominently charted and well
known.

Granted, many pilots fail to guard 121.5 MHz all the time, but when
you see an F-16 intercepting you, one would expect the intercepted
pilot to tune his radio, and establish communication.