Katrina fall-out

On 2005-09-02, john smith wrote:
Stop blaming the federal government!
That's why this mess is so bad in the first place.
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If the Federal Government is supposed to have so little involvement,
what's the point of Louisiana being a state of the United States? What's
the point of all those Louisianans income tax that goes to the Federal
government? (the vast majority of their income taxes?)

--
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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"Morgans" wrote:

Hell, bring in the C-17's, and C-5A's and C-130's. Marshall
law should have been declared, all should have been driven out,
and transportation provided for those who needed it. Set up
refugee camps at closed military bases, and all could have
lived much more comfortably than they are now.

This is one point I can't understand .... you (the USA) is able
to invade a country in a matter of 1 or 2 days (I don't want to
argue about *that* right now), bring thousands of soldiers from
one side of the planet to the other one ... but: aren't you able
to bring several thousand of soldiers, a carrier, etc. down to
New Orleans? Let your troops do something useful.

I'm not a fan of the Iraq war but I can appreciate the logistical side of
going to war. Maybe the invasion only takes a few days, but months of
preparation went into those few days. On the other hand no one is really
preparing for a hurricane like this one.

Philip S. wrote:
in article , john smith at
wrote on 9/1/05 8:21 PM:


Philip S. wrote:

You might better direct your anger towards a federal government that had all
the same warnings, all the same information (and probably more), and yet has
STILL not taken control of the situation, FOUR DAYS after disaster struck.
Shoot, Jay, when even the collective might of the United States military and
its assorted agencies are running around with their thumbs up their asses
several days after the fact, is it really appropriate to express outrage at
the victims who are suffering most?

Stop blaming the federal government!
That's why this mess is so bad in the first place.
State and local governments have become so dependent upon the federal
programs, they cannot think, let alone act on their on.
The City of New Orleans did nothing until the last minute.
The State of Louisana did nothing until after the fact.
The federal government is trying to play catch up.
The City of New Orleans knew what the consequences were.
The State of Lousiana certainly had some idea of the consequences based
on their oversight authority.
Both these government entities dragged their heels waiting for Uncle Sam
to come to their rescue before the fact. The only thing Uncle Sam knew
was that it was going to be bad.


Terrorist attack or natural disaster, it really makes no difference--the
current administration ran for re-election less than a year ago on the
premise that they could keep us all safe, that they were better than their
opponents on issues of "homeland security", that when it came to protecting
the homeland, only they could do the job.

How do you propose that the Feds stop a hurricane? Put up a tall fence?
Protecting the homeland from a hurricane. That is hilarious...

Matt

Jay,

And now, for some aviation content: The looters in New Orleans are SHOOTING
at rescue helicopters!


Ah, isn't it a great country where everbody has the legal right to own guns?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Jay,

I wonder if the insurance companies (and the federal government) will
FINALLY wake up to the fact that building permanent structures below
sea-level in a hurricane zone is folly?


Next: The end of the west coast, since it is in an earthquake area.
Imagine Silicon Valley vanishing in a major quake...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

In article , Martin Hotze
wrote:

I am not arguing (right now) about your engagement in Iraq ... I am arguing
why you don't make it happen to bring thousands of soldiers in to New
Orleans. the first few days are important, not some days after the first
couple days passed.

1) Equipment and personnel are already enroute. (some are already
there)

2) The US military isn't forward deployed to the US.

3) Disaster recovery isn't a military mission (nor should it be)

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

In article et,
"Mike Rapoport" wrote:

If all the money for the Corps of Engineers wasn't sent to Iraq,

another source of money could be all the money ****ed away
on failed social programs

the
infrastructure around New Orleans could have been improved to the point
where most people could go home now.

Three words: Environmental impact study

Can't you imagine all the people that would be complaining about
the noise and dust and stuff from the construction near where they live?

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

"Montblack" wrote:

You can't be serious? Using boxcars would be too reminiscent of the
Holocaust.


Is it the Holocaust? No. Then what planet are you on???


Planet Troll.

In article ,
Darrel Toepfer wrote:

skym wrote:

I'm surprised someone hasn't yet figured out a way to blame this all on
the trial lawyers. They must be somehow responsible.

copied from a lawyer friends email from Dallas

I know your hearts, in particular, are for lawyers. Think of this...

hopefully those agencies with important files have a disaster recovery
plan for their records (a concept that has been in place for decades)

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

In article ,
"Philip S." wrote:

Terrorist attack or natural disaster, it really makes no difference--the
current administration ran for re-election less than a year ago on the
premise that they could keep us all safe, that they were better than their
opponents on issues of "homeland security", that when it came to protecting
the homeland, only they could do the job.

yeah, fixing a distaster of this magnitude is really a simple thing. Just like
with a TV one-hour drama.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule