Katrina fall-out

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article , Martin Hotze

wrote:

I am not arguing (right now) about your engagement in Iraq ... I am
arguing
why you don't make it happen to bring thousands of soldiers in to New
Orleans. the first few days are important, not some days after the first
couple days passed.

1) Equipment and personnel are already enroute. (some are already
there)

Already? Get real, it is 5 days after the hurricane and they knew it was
coming several days before that. A full week after they should have been
called up for mobilization they are just now beginning to move.

2) The US military isn't forward deployed to the US.

The National Guard is and they have yet to arrive in any quantity.

3) Disaster recovery isn't a military mission (nor should it be)

Disaster asistance is a National Guard function yet except for a few that
have been deployed they appear to be sitting at home eating bon bons.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

In article ,
"Dave Stadt" wrote:

1) Equipment and personnel are already enroute. (some are already
there)

Already? Get real,

yes. Several news reports of USAF special ops at the airport restoring
services there in order to support rescue/recovery/aid operations.
(iirc this was wednesday when I saw the reports).

Plus Navy ships enroute.

2) The US military isn't forward deployed to the US.

The National Guard is and they have yet to arrive in any quantity.

Talk to the state or governer. I was under the impression that Martin
was whining about the feds.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

Bob Noel wrote:

The National Guard is and they have yet to arrive in any quantity.

Talk to the state or governer. I was under the impression that Martin
was whining about the feds.

A good portion of the LA-NG is in Iraq...

"Darrel Toepfer" wrote in message
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Bob Noel wrote:

The National Guard is and they have yet to arrive in any quantity.

Talk to the state or governer. I was under the impression that Martin
was whining about the feds.

A good portion of the LA-NG is in Iraq...

Yes they are I think the number is about 35%. What's your point? The 65%
that is available is under the command of the Gov. of Louisiana.

The Gov. of LA says 40,000 guardsmen will go into New Orleans to restore
order. Now they go in.....those 40,000 would have made a huge difference.
With the Motor T Division of water buffalos and the presence of those
troops, just about all of the foolishness of getting 10 pairs of Nikes could
have been avoided.
And did you hear the Congressional Black Caucus today???? Of course they
make everything seem like it's just white people letting black people die.
They should be ashamed of themselves. What the Black Caucus leadership needs
to be doing is the same thing that Jesse and Al and the NAACP need to be
doing...calling for their brothers and sisters to act like human beings and
help each other instead of acting like wild animals. When you act like trash
you will be treated like trash no matter what your skin color.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in message
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"Darrel Toepfer" wrote in message
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Bob Noel wrote:

The National Guard is and they have yet to arrive in any quantity.

Talk to the state or governer. I was under the impression that Martin
was whining about the feds.

A good portion of the LA-NG is in Iraq...

Yes they are I think the number is about 35%. What's your point? The 65%
that is available is under the command of the Gov. of Louisiana.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

A good portion of the LA-NG is in Iraq...

Yes they are I think the number is about 35%. What's your point? The 65%
that is available is under the command of the Gov. of Louisiana.

They took the equipment with them, not just themselves...

"Darrel Toepfer" wrote in message
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Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

A good portion of the LA-NG is in Iraq...

Yes they are I think the number is about 35%. What's your point? The 65%
that is available is under the command of the Gov. of Louisiana.

They took the equipment with them, not just themselves...

Actually quite a bit of the equipment they are using was there when they got
their and had been forward deployed and is not LA-NG equipment. But yes some
of the equipment is there maybe even a lot of LA-NG equipment is there.

What do you think that equipment was built for? While the NG is a great
disaster relief organization that is not its primary reason for being and
neither is giving kids a way to make extra money for college.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

What do you think that equipment was built for? While the NG is a great
disaster relief organization that is not its primary reason for being and
neither is giving kids a way to make extra money for college.

There isn't alot of LA-NG equipment to start with. There is nothing here
but a building at present/prior to Katrina. Probably alot of equipment
got sent back to Ft. Polk or is on loan for forward deployment long ago.
We used to have a personal carrier and a duece, thats about it and I
haven't seen those for several years...

During Lili Opelousas municipal took all the available NG generators,
just because they called for them first, there was no rationing or
rational behind it. The local water company burned up 2 of their 3 or
so, probably due to poor maintenance and nobody monitoring them. We
squeeked by without having to boil water, other surrounding areas
weren't so lucky. Not having A/C for a week, at least being able to
shower 2 or 3 times a day made is somewhat more bearable...

Deployment of the NG here was primarily cleanup and security. They
cleaned up the debris from the streets, cleared limbs from homes of
those that couldn't afford a professional and brought it to the burn
basin. My family cooked an entire meal (fried turkey) for the group
(75+) that was sent here and the city workers assisting them, several
others/organizations did as well over a week or so period. They were
quite appreciative of a missed MRE...

Bringing back a sense of normality does alot for the moral of a
community that has been devastated. I kneaux it allowed ours to bounce
back pretty quickly...

In article ,
Darrel Toepfer wrote:

Bob Noel wrote:

The National Guard is and they have yet to arrive in any quantity.

Talk to the state or governer. I was under the impression that Martin
was whining about the feds.

A good portion of the LA-NG is in Iraq...

Yes, about 25 to 30% if I remember the CNN report. That leaves quite a
few.

Pixel Dent wrote:

A good portion of the LA-NG is in Iraq...

Yes, about 25 to 30% if I remember the CNN report. That leaves quite a
few.

So how long does it take to call them up, marshall them together and
transport them in? Keep in mind that our long distance service is out
for the most part. Anywhere you want to call, town to town, etc. is
typically long distance. How many days has it been since Katrina? Maybe
you're confusing Louisiana with something the size of Rhode Island, D.C.
or New Jersey...