Repercussions for people outside New Orleans

"sfb" wrote:
Isn't the answer then yes as the Executive branch is
always limited by
the law.


They're limited by law if law exists, and of course they're
always bound by the Constitution. Most Executive Orders
cover matters where there is no law on a specific topic.

Fred F.

Jay Honeck wrote:

Hmmm. Zero refineries built in the 28 years since EPA regulations were
rolled out.

If new refineries were necessary and the EPA regs were the blocking factor, new
refineries would've been set up elsewhere and we would be importing refined fuel.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

Bob Noel wrote:

Some communities may deliberately screwup the traffic lights in order
to reduce the traffic through their community. Maybe I'm just being
cynical, ....

You're not. I've heard traffic engineers brag that this is deliberate and claim
that it makes things safer. When I lived in Smyrna, GA years ago, the lights on
South Cobb Drive had two settings. During the two rush hour periods, they were
set to stop everyone at every light. At other times, they were timed to allow
anything doing within about 5 mph of the speed limit to see only greens. The
engineer said that was for safety reasons.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

Hmmm. Zero refineries built in the 28 years since EPA regulations were
rolled out.

If new refineries were necessary and the EPA regs were the blocking
factor, new refineries would've been set up elsewhere and we would be
importing refined fuel.

We are.

On 2005-09-05, Matt Barrow wrote:
We could be getting a ****load of better gas mileage if cities and towns
would synchronized their traffic signals.

Better still - rip out the large numbers of traffic lights that can be
replaced by roundabouts. Many junctions in the US which have traffic
lights would have a roundabout elsewhere and would flow much better.

Houston had synced traffic lights (not that I drove in downtown much).

The worst ones were the lights near where I lived in League City - ten
second long all red phases, and one particularly bad timed light which
wouldn't let the lane go for a good 30 seconds after it was clear.

When I was last there (abotu 4 weeks ago) it hadn't been fixed.

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"sfb" wrote in message news:Su0Te.2855$AB4.1904@trnddc03...
Many communities have gone to sensor based on demand traffic signals
which are impossible to coordinate. Ironically, one argument is saving
gasoline as waiting for the light to change is reduced.


(Please note that I've been out of the highway engineering field for a dozen
years, but I have several old associates still in the field who are abreast
of these things)

Most (not all, but most) of the sensors you speak of are for allowing the
passage of emergency vehicles, not for determining traffic flows. Most
communities don't even have those.

Thing is, if you look at traffic flows the way a systems analyst approachs
his work (fundementally the correct way) it becomes rather obvious that the
overwhelming source of the problem is just plain incompetence and much is
deliberate.

My point is that conservation is great (and certainly encouraged by current
prices), but what happens when someone is deliberately rigging the
situation?

I won't even go into the deaths and injuries caused by such governmental
greed.


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
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On 2005-09-05, Matt Barrow wrote:
We could be getting a ****load of better gas mileage if cities and towns
would synchronized their traffic signals.

Better still - rip out the large numbers of traffic lights that can be
replaced by roundabouts. Many junctions in the US which have traffic
lights would have a roundabout elsewhere and would flow much better.

Houston had synced traffic lights (not that I drove in downtown much).

The worst ones were the lights near where I lived in League City - ten
second long all red phases, and one particularly bad timed light which
wouldn't let the lane go for a good 30 seconds after it was clear.

When I was last there (abotu 4 weeks ago) it hadn't been fixed.

You're assuming the local authorities WANT to fix the situation.

Traffic fines for speeding and red light running brings in $$$BILLIONS!! Do
you really think they want to give that up? At the least, they'd have to
re-engineer the roads for roundabouts. A while back they wanted to repave a
3/4 mile stretch of road. It took seven months and $13million. They didn't
want to do it (spend the money), but the road was the flavor of a cattle
trail.


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Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

I don't have to be let out, I am already talking to them and have been for
a long time. But you are right, this dead horse has suffered enough

Mike
MU-2


"sfb" wrote in message news:QI1Se.202$cy4.57@trnddc05...
Isn't it time to stop beating this dead horse? The guys who own and
operate refineries are reluctant to invest in new refining capacity. Maybe
the home would let you out so you could explain to them that they know not
of what they speak.


"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
news
Agreed but what is the cost of that study compared to the multi-billion
dollar cost of the refinery? Less than 1%. My point is not that there
are no obstacles to constructing a new refinery but rather that those
obstacles are not the reason that new refineries have not been built.

Mike
MU-2

Gasoline pretty much sells at spot prices. On the crude side, most futures
are sold by produces and bought by end consumers (say airlines) not
refiners.

If you go to: http://futures.tradingcharts.com/marketquotes/ you will see
that gasoling futures don't go out very far and there is minimial liquidity
even three months out. To hedge, refiners sell gasoline futures at the same
time that they purchase crude. It there were enough liquidity in the
gasoline futures market, refiners would probably try to lock in refining
margins, but that liquidity isn't there.

I would also distinguish between hedging future prices and 'buying".

Mike
MU-2


"john smith" wrote in message
. ..
Isn't it interesting that the media isn't telling us that the fuel at the
pumps and the oil at the refineries was purchased a year ago.

Mike Rapoport wrote:
Where do they keep it? Must be huge this 17,520,000,000 gallon tank.

Come on, Mike!
Help me out here... how do future contracts work?

There are sensor based intersections all over Florida for us ordinary
folks. The easiest way to tell is the bicycles riders are punching the
pedestrian walk button as the bikes lack the metal mass to trip the
sensors.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...

"sfb" wrote in message
news:Su0Te.2855$AB4.1904@trnddc03...
Many communities have gone to sensor based on demand traffic signals
which are impossible to coordinate. Ironically, one argument is
saving
gasoline as waiting for the light to change is reduced.


(Please note that I've been out of the highway engineering field for a
dozen
years, but I have several old associates still in the field who are
abreast
of these things)

Most (not all, but most) of the sensors you speak of are for allowing
the
passage of emergency vehicles, not for determining traffic flows. Most
communities don't even have those.

Thing is, if you look at traffic flows the way a systems analyst
approachs
his work (fundementally the correct way) it becomes rather obvious
that the
overwhelming source of the problem is just plain incompetence and much
is
deliberate.

My point is that conservation is great (and certainly encouraged by
current
prices), but what happens when someone is deliberately rigging the
situation?

I won't even go into the deaths and injuries caused by such
governmental
greed.


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO