Hurricane relief

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

This isn't a black issue at all.

"At all"?? Your categorical statement reveals both denial and
ignorance.

In a past career I worked extensively in the inner city -- have you?

LOL! I have known a number of people who have worked in the inner
city. Many of them emerged even more racist than before they went in.
Your experience in the inner city can not be offered up as evidence
against racism, nor can it be offered up as evidence of some special
understanding. You clearly have no special understanding; You see
desperate cries for help and all you hear is "gibberish". As others
have correctly noted, you words reek of racism.

I think you might be reading in racist coupling in Jay's dialog by "reading
triggers" that you personally associate with racist dialog where no racist
connotation or inflection was present.
I'm extremely sensitive to "reading" between the lines on Usenet and I can
find no racist inflection at all in what Jay has said.
Dudley Henriques


"TL" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote:

This isn't a black issue at all.

"At all"?? Your categorical statement reveals both denial and
ignorance.

In a past career I worked extensively in the inner city -- have you?

LOL! I have known a number of people who have worked in the inner
city. Many of them emerged even more racist than before they went in.
Your experience in the inner city can not be offered up as evidence
against racism, nor can it be offered up as evidence of some special
understanding. You clearly have no special understanding; You see
desperate cries for help and all you hear is "gibberish". As others
have correctly noted, you words reek of racism.

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
ink.net...
I think you might be reading in racist coupling in Jay's dialog by "reading
triggers" that you personally associate with racist dialog where no racist
connotation or inflection was present.
I'm extremely sensitive to "reading" between the lines on Usenet and I can
find no racist inflection at all in what Jay has said.
Dudley Henriques


"TL" wrote in message


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"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
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I think you might be reading in racist coupling in Jay's dialog by
"reading triggers" that you personally associate with racist dialog where
no racist connotation or inflection was present.
I'm extremely sensitive to "reading" between the lines on Usenet and I
can find no racist inflection at all in what Jay has said.
Dudley Henriques


"TL" wrote in message


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Love this!

Being one of the more "logic oriented" thinkers in this world, and placing
great value on the scientific mind, my probable reaction to looking over the
edge of that cliff would be,
"You know.......I think I'll do some additional research on this gravity
thing before exploring this next data point requiring my leaping off here. I
have a funny feeling that Newton guy back at the lab just might be near a
breakthrough on this.......and besides, my wife wants that solution on
Fermat that I've been working on all week by tonight........or else!!!
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Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote:

I'm extremely sensitive to "reading" between the lines on Usenet and I can
find no racist inflection at all in what Jay has said.

I would submit, then, that some people here are better at reading
between the lines than you. They have called out Jay elsewhere, and
rightly so in my opinion. But lets examine only the words which
triggered my response.

Jay wrote, "[CNN] has been showing endless video of blacks looting and
shouting gibberish at the cameras, essentially since "Day One." It's
hard to imagine black people being presented in a worse light."
-- End Quote

Quite telling indeed. Racists watched the news coverage and saw
little more than black people looting and "shouting gibberish at the
cameras." Realists, on the other hand, watched the same news coverage
and saw a small percentage of black residents looting while tens of
thousands of law abiding blacks at the convention center made
desperate pleas food and water.

Jay wrote, "It's hard to imagine black people being presented in a
worse light." His, however, is a racist's take not a realist's take.
What the news coverage presented to the realist was a handful of
lawless among a sea of law abiding citizens doing exactly as
instructed under extremely trying circumstances.

Jay watched the news coverage and heard only "gibberish" in the
desperate cries for help. Did FEMA director Michael Brown also hear
only "gibberish"? I would not be surprised.

Apparently, in your world, one can not use the word "gibberish" in the same
sentence with the word "black" and not be a racist. That's bull ****!
Quite frankly, I don't really care if you think someone is a racist or not.
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. If you see a racist
inflection in what someone says, there is very little chance of anyone
changing your mind by disagreeing with you on Usenet.
In other words, think what you like. As an extension of your line of
thinking, I would also be a racist by the simple fact I have objected to
your position.
People like you I just try to avoid :-)
DH

"TL" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote:

I'm extremely sensitive to "reading" between the lines on Usenet and I can
find no racist inflection at all in what Jay has said.

I would submit, then, that some people here are better at reading
between the lines than you. They have called out Jay elsewhere, and
rightly so in my opinion. But lets examine only the words which
triggered my response.

Jay wrote, "[CNN] has been showing endless video of blacks looting and
shouting gibberish at the cameras, essentially since "Day One." It's
hard to imagine black people being presented in a worse light."
-- End Quote

Quite telling indeed. Racists watched the news coverage and saw
little more than black people looting and "shouting gibberish at the
cameras." Realists, on the other hand, watched the same news coverage
and saw a small percentage of black residents looting while tens of
thousands of law abiding blacks at the convention center made
desperate pleas food and water.

Jay wrote, "It's hard to imagine black people being presented in a
worse light." His, however, is a racist's take not a realist's take.
What the news coverage presented to the realist was a handful of
lawless among a sea of law abiding citizens doing exactly as
instructed under extremely trying circumstances.

Jay watched the news coverage and heard only "gibberish" in the
desperate cries for help. Did FEMA director Michael Brown also hear
only "gibberish"? I would not be surprised.

Apparently, in your world, one can not use the word "gibberish" in the
same sentence with the word "black" and not be a racist. That's bull ****!

Thanks, Dudley, for the spirited defense -- but you're ****ing on deadwood
here.

You can't convince the paranoid that we're really not out to get them, any
more than you can change a person's misinterpretation of the English
language. Just imagine if I'd have used a really controversial word, like
"niggardly"!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

These people rankle my shorts. This guy's only an amateur. He just sees
racism where none exists. It's the "professionals" I worry about. These race
hustlers not only find racism where it doesn't exist, they USE it to extort
and intimidate people and government alike. They've split this country right
down the middle with their absolute bull****. What REALLY worries me is a
citizenry so damn ignorant and stupid that they allow these morons to get
away with it.
I distinctly remember one time when I was asked by an operator if I minded
flying with a black co-pilot. The whole damn United States would be wiser if
they heeded my answer to that operator and adopted what I said in their
daily lives. That answer was simply,
" I don't give a rat's ass if the guy's PURPLE as long as he can FLY!"
Dudley Henriques


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:lNCTe.314606$x96.88028@attbi_s72...
Apparently, in your world, one can not use the word "gibberish" in the
same sentence with the word "black" and not be a racist. That's bull
****!

Thanks, Dudley, for the spirited defense -- but you're ****ing on deadwood
here.

You can't convince the paranoid that we're really not out to get them, any
more than you can change a person's misinterpretation of the English
language. Just imagine if I'd have used a really controversial word, like
"niggardly"!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote:

These race
hustlers not only find racism where it doesn't exist, they USE it to extort
and intimidate people and government alike. They've split this country right
down the middle with their absolute bull****. What REALLY worries me is a
citizenry so damn ignorant and stupid that they allow these morons to get
away with it.

Those who claim that racism is not pervasive in the United States are
either living uninformed insular lives among some very good people or
are in a state of denial.

I distinctly remember one time when I was asked by an operator if I minded
flying with a black co-pilot. The whole damn United States would be wiser if
they heeded my answer to that operator and adopted what I said in their
daily lives. That answer was simply,
" I don't give a rat's ass if the guy's PURPLE as long as he can FLY!"

Good for you. Interesting, though, that you deny pervasive racism in
the first half of your post and then, in the second half, you say that
the "whole damn United States" would be better off without it.

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Apparently, in your world, one can not use the word "gibberish" in
the same sentence with the word "black" and not be a racist. That's
bull ****!

Thanks, Dudley, for the spirited defense -- but you're ****ing on
deadwood here.

You can't convince the paranoid that we're really not out to get them,
any more than you can change a person's misinterpretation of the
English language. Just imagine if I'd have used a really
controversial word, like "niggardly"!

Your description of the news coverage was well taken, and you could have
avoided the controversy and made your point just as well by not using
"gibberish" the way you did. Contrary to Dudley and your view of the
subject, when I read your original sentence, I also felt it was
inappropriate.

In the context you used it, it was heavily laden with historic meaning.
You are a northern, white, middle class observer of the southern socio-
economic condition. Whether you intended to or not, many readers will
infer that your view of blacks speaking with a southern dialect is that
they are uneducated, and can't put a coherent sentence together.

As I said earlier, you could have made your point without phrasing
things the way you did. Don't compound your mistake by trying to defend
the use of the word.