![]() |
If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
|
#1
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Most people consider pilot safety as everything needed until that pilot is
safe and sound at his intended destination. Pilots spend thousands of dollars per year on auto, glider and life insurance. Yet there is this whine about spending a few hundred dollars one time on a piece of equipment that could mean the difference between life and death, in the event of a crash. Handheld radios, cell and satellite phones are all excellent items for your land out kits, but none of them are automatically activated during a crash; nor will phones or radios be of any use if you become unconscious. I had the misfortune of recently being involved in a search for a missing pilot in the Sierra Nevada mountains of California. It gave new meaning to the old saying of “looking for a needle in a haystack”. Fortunately another pilot going the other direction had passed and talked with the missing pilot shortly before his communications ceased. This knowledge narrowed the search area down to only about a 25 mile stretch of 12,000 ft mountain peaks. After landing ourselves, three of us got into a Mooney and flew back the 150 miles to the expected search area, where we had about 45 minutes of remaining daylight in which to search. At this time, had we heard his voice or an ELT signal on the radio, we would have had at least some idea as to where the pilot had crashed. This would have meant search and rescue efforts in force at the crack of dawn. That evening, after noting that the glider was not ELT equipped, the sheriff commented that he was not calling the Civil Air Patrol in, because they primarily looked for ELT’s. It is sad to report that the deceased pilot and glider were found the next day at about 12,000 msl by a California Highway Patrol helicopter. Pilots who fly in remote, mountainous and wilderness areas should reconsider installing an ELT, if not for themselves, then maybe for their families who may lose a loved one simply because they weren’t found in time. M Eiler |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
![]() "Martin Eiler" wrote in message ... Most people consider pilot safety as everything needed until that pilot is safe and sound at his intended destination. Pilots spend thousands of dollars per year on auto, glider and life insurance. Yet there is this whine about spending a few hundred dollars one time on a piece of equipment that could mean the difference between life and death, in the event of a crash. As we are all aware, the old 121.5 MHz ELTs are on their way out, with only 3 more years of promised satallite coverage. The few 406 MHz ELTs that I've seen have yet to see much of a price drop. From Chief Aircraft: Ameri-King AK-450, a popular 121.5 ELT: $183.75 USD Artex G406, a 406 MHz ELT: $1589.00 Handheld radios, cell and satellite phones are all excellent items for your land out kits, but none of them are automatically activated during a crash; nor will phones or radios be of any use if you become unconscious. One of the many problems with the real world experience of the older ELTs, is that in most cases they have not activated automatically in a crash. They do, however, seem to activate for a myrid number of non-crash reasons such as hard landings and whatever. And almost all activations have been false. Pilots who fly in remote, mountainous and wilderness areas should reconsider installing an ELT, if not for themselves, then maybe for their families who may lose a loved one simply because they weren’t found in time. M Eiler The argument I've seen most often against the US contest requirement for an installed ELT, is not that there isn't a need for this sort of thing at all, but rather that a PLB (personal locator beacon) is a more viable solution. PLBs can be small enough to attach to a parachute harness, operate on 406 MHz (so won't become obsolete in 3 years), can be had with built in GPS to send a precise location, and will direct search personnel to the pilot as opposed to the wreckage. Further, they are registered to the pilot so searcher know who they are looking for, and obviously will work in more than just one vehicle or activity. Prices have come down to the $500 -$700 range (w/ GPS built in). bumper |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Hi,
I will soon have "low cost" 406 ELTs from Artex for $995. They are listed on my web site. I don't have them in stock yet but they should be available in a few weeks. http://www.soarmn.com/cumulus/elts.htm Good Soaring, Paul Remde Cumulus Soaring, Inc. http://www.cumulus-soaring.com "bumper" wrote in message news ![]() "Martin Eiler" wrote in message ... Most people consider pilot safety as everything needed until that pilot is safe and sound at his intended destination. Pilots spend thousands of dollars per year on auto, glider and life insurance. Yet there is this whine about spending a few hundred dollars one time on a piece of equipment that could mean the difference between life and death, in the event of a crash. As we are all aware, the old 121.5 MHz ELTs are on their way out, with only 3 more years of promised satallite coverage. The few 406 MHz ELTs that I've seen have yet to see much of a price drop. From Chief Aircraft: Ameri-King AK-450, a popular 121.5 ELT: $183.75 USD Artex G406, a 406 MHz ELT: $1589.00 Handheld radios, cell and satellite phones are all excellent items for your land out kits, but none of them are automatically activated during a crash; nor will phones or radios be of any use if you become unconscious. One of the many problems with the real world experience of the older ELTs, is that in most cases they have not activated automatically in a crash. They do, however, seem to activate for a myrid number of non-crash reasons such as hard landings and whatever. And almost all activations have been false. Pilots who fly in remote, mountainous and wilderness areas should reconsider installing an ELT, if not for themselves, then maybe for their families who may lose a loved one simply because they weren't found in time. M Eiler The argument I've seen most often against the US contest requirement for an installed ELT, is not that there isn't a need for this sort of thing at all, but rather that a PLB (personal locator beacon) is a more viable solution. PLBs can be small enough to attach to a parachute harness, operate on 406 MHz (so won't become obsolete in 3 years), can be had with built in GPS to send a precise location, and will direct search personnel to the pilot as opposed to the wreckage. Further, they are registered to the pilot so searcher know who they are looking for, and obviously will work in more than just one vehicle or activity. Prices have come down to the $500 -$700 range (w/ GPS built in). bumper |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Not so fast.................Artex has re-called these already....
tim Wings & Wheels www.wingsandwheels.com "Paul Remde" wrote in message news:mLITe.316115$_o.53729@attbi_s71... Hi, I will soon have "low cost" 406 ELTs from Artex for $995. They are listed on my web site. I don't have them in stock yet but they should be available in a few weeks. http://www.soarmn.com/cumulus/elts.htm Good Soaring, Paul Remde Cumulus Soaring, Inc. http://www.cumulus-soaring.com "bumper" wrote in message news ![]() "Martin Eiler" wrote in message ... Most people consider pilot safety as everything needed until that pilot is safe and sound at his intended destination. Pilots spend thousands of dollars per year on auto, glider and life insurance. Yet there is this whine about spending a few hundred dollars one time on a piece of equipment that could mean the difference between life and death, in the event of a crash. As we are all aware, the old 121.5 MHz ELTs are on their way out, with only 3 more years of promised satallite coverage. The few 406 MHz ELTs that I've seen have yet to see much of a price drop. From Chief Aircraft: Ameri-King AK-450, a popular 121.5 ELT: $183.75 USD Artex G406, a 406 MHz ELT: $1589.00 Handheld radios, cell and satellite phones are all excellent items for your land out kits, but none of them are automatically activated during a crash; nor will phones or radios be of any use if you become unconscious. One of the many problems with the real world experience of the older ELTs, is that in most cases they have not activated automatically in a crash. They do, however, seem to activate for a myrid number of non-crash reasons such as hard landings and whatever. And almost all activations have been false. Pilots who fly in remote, mountainous and wilderness areas should reconsider installing an ELT, if not for themselves, then maybe for their families who may lose a loved one simply because they weren't found in time. M Eiler The argument I've seen most often against the US contest requirement for an installed ELT, is not that there isn't a need for this sort of thing at all, but rather that a PLB (personal locator beacon) is a more viable solution. PLBs can be small enough to attach to a parachute harness, operate on 406 MHz (so won't become obsolete in 3 years), can be had with built in GPS to send a precise location, and will direct search personnel to the pilot as opposed to the wreckage. Further, they are registered to the pilot so searcher know who they are looking for, and obviously will work in more than just one vehicle or activity. Prices have come down to the $500 -$700 range (w/ GPS built in). bumper |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Hi Tim,
I'm aware of the situation. It is my understanding that they are on hold and will be available again soon. I have some on order. Paul Remde "Tim Mara" wrote in message ... Not so fast.................Artex has re-called these already.... tim Wings & Wheels www.wingsandwheels.com "Paul Remde" wrote in message news:mLITe.316115$_o.53729@attbi_s71... Hi, I will soon have "low cost" 406 ELTs from Artex for $995. They are listed on my web site. I don't have them in stock yet but they should be available in a few weeks. http://www.soarmn.com/cumulus/elts.htm Good Soaring, Paul Remde Cumulus Soaring, Inc. http://www.cumulus-soaring.com "bumper" wrote in message news ![]() "Martin Eiler" wrote in message ... Most people consider pilot safety as everything needed until that pilot is safe and sound at his intended destination. Pilots spend thousands of dollars per year on auto, glider and life insurance. Yet there is this whine about spending a few hundred dollars one time on a piece of equipment that could mean the difference between life and death, in the event of a crash. As we are all aware, the old 121.5 MHz ELTs are on their way out, with only 3 more years of promised satallite coverage. The few 406 MHz ELTs that I've seen have yet to see much of a price drop. From Chief Aircraft: Ameri-King AK-450, a popular 121.5 ELT: $183.75 USD Artex G406, a 406 MHz ELT: $1589.00 Handheld radios, cell and satellite phones are all excellent items for your land out kits, but none of them are automatically activated during a crash; nor will phones or radios be of any use if you become unconscious. One of the many problems with the real world experience of the older ELTs, is that in most cases they have not activated automatically in a crash. They do, however, seem to activate for a myrid number of non-crash reasons such as hard landings and whatever. And almost all activations have been false. Pilots who fly in remote, mountainous and wilderness areas should reconsider installing an ELT, if not for themselves, then maybe for their families who may lose a loved one simply because they weren't found in time. M Eiler The argument I've seen most often against the US contest requirement for an installed ELT, is not that there isn't a need for this sort of thing at all, but rather that a PLB (personal locator beacon) is a more viable solution. PLBs can be small enough to attach to a parachute harness, operate on 406 MHz (so won't become obsolete in 3 years), can be had with built in GPS to send a precise location, and will direct search personnel to the pilot as opposed to the wreckage. Further, they are registered to the pilot so searcher know who they are looking for, and obviously will work in more than just one vehicle or activity. Prices have come down to the $500 -$700 range (w/ GPS built in). bumper |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
If y'all feel strongly about a Personal Locator Beacon (PLB), consider
this: The SSA Board meets in Memphis on OCTOBER 1. SSA Directors need your items NOW to be included in the agenda. Perhaps an email to the SSA Rules Committee and your Regional Directors (don't send it to Dennis Wright - go up through your chain of command) to ask them to consider adding the option of the PLB, as Bumper suggests below. The contact info for all our SSA Directors and Committee Chairs can be found on the SSA webpage, www.ssa.org under SSA Members, Governance. As I will host a National Contest at Marfa, Texas in 2006, I am in favor of some sort of ELT / PLB. I like the idea of equpping the pilot (PLB), not the glider (ELT). I will not be able to sleep if one pilot is missing, even after their safe landing on the Marfa plateau. Cellphone coverage is poor here. Lots of places to land, but few roads and lots of fences. We strongly recommend anyone flying at Marfa bring a capable crew, and install a good radio whip antenna (tall & tuned) on their crew car. Handhelds with rubber-ducky's don't cut it. For certain tasks and for good radio contact, sending your crew on the road is worthwhile, if you want to get yourself back to our brisket and beer party by sunset. Burt Marfa, west Texas www.flygliders.com Bumper wrote: a PLB (personal locator beacon) is a more viable solution. PLBs can be small enough to attach to a parachute harness, operate on 406 MHz (so won't become obsolete in 3 years), can be had with built in GPS to send a precise location, and will direct search personnel to the pilot as opposed to the wreckage. Further, they are registered to the pilot so searcher know who they are looking for, and obviously will work in more than just one vehicle or activity. Prices have come down to the $500 -$700 range (w/ GPS built in). |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
This is a done deal.
The contest organizers will be able to stipulate if you fly in "there" contest or not. An ELT will be a prerequisite if you want to compete. Some organizers had it already in place this year. Udo wrote in message oups.com... If y'all feel strongly about a Personal Locator Beacon (PLB), consider this: The SSA Board meets in Memphis on OCTOBER 1. SSA Directors need your items NOW to be included in the agenda. Perhaps an email to the SSA Rules Committee and your Regional Directors (don't send it to Dennis Wright - go up through your chain of command) to ask them to consider adding the option of the PLB, as Bumper suggests below. The contact info for all our SSA Directors and Committee Chairs can be found on the SSA webpage, www.ssa.org under SSA Members, Governance. As I will host a National Contest at Marfa, Texas in 2006, I am in favor of some sort of ELT / PLB. I like the idea of equpping the pilot (PLB), not the glider (ELT). I will not be able to sleep if one pilot is missing, even after their safe landing on the Marfa plateau. Cellphone coverage is poor here. Lots of places to land, but few roads and lots of fences. We strongly recommend anyone flying at Marfa bring a capable crew, and install a good radio whip antenna (tall & tuned) on their crew car. Handhelds with rubber-ducky's don't cut it. For certain tasks and for good radio contact, sending your crew on the road is worthwhile, if you want to get yourself back to our brisket and beer party by sunset. Burt Marfa, west Texas www.flygliders.com Bumper wrote: a PLB (personal locator beacon) is a more viable solution. PLBs can be small enough to attach to a parachute harness, operate on 406 MHz (so won't become obsolete in 3 years), can be had with built in GPS to send a precise location, and will direct search personnel to the pilot as opposed to the wreckage. Further, they are registered to the pilot so searcher know who they are looking for, and obviously will work in more than just one vehicle or activity. Prices have come down to the $500 -$700 range (w/ GPS built in). |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
HI Burt:
Agenda for October meeting is set. This item is handled by the Rules Subcommittee and will be on the pending pilot poll. The poll results will be used to guide the RC proposed rules which will be voted on by the BOD at the Winter meeting. Hank Nixon SSA Contest Rule Subcommittee Chair |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
![]() |
||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Nearly had my life terminated today | Michelle P | Piloting | 11 | September 3rd 05 02:37 AM |
ramifications of new TSA rules on all non-US and US citizen pilots | paul k. sanchez | Piloting | 19 | September 27th 04 11:49 PM |
FAI Sporting Code Section 3 experts wanted | Stewart Kissel | Soaring | 28 | September 1st 04 05:58 PM |
USAF = US Amphetamine Fools | RT | Military Aviation | 104 | September 25th 03 03:17 PM |
Start Anywhere Cylinder (SSA rules proposal) | Mark Navarre | Soaring | 15 | September 25th 03 01:13 PM |