Katrina fall-out

"Doof" wrote in message
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Persists? Try "has been exacerbated". Thomas Sowell has done a ton of work
and published copious materials on how progress for blacks has been
stunted since their progress peaked in the late 1950's.

Let's see. In the 1950's, there were hardly any black police, firefighters,
TV characters... let alone doctors, lawyers, judges, justices, secretaries
of state... It was legal, and widely practiced, to refuse to hire any
African Americans, or rent or sell housing to them, or serve them in
restaurants... In much of the nation, blacks were even forbidden by law to
use the public drinking fountains designated for whites. So that was quite a
"peak".

--Gary

Let's see. In the 1950's, there were hardly any black police,
firefighters, TV characters... let alone doctors, lawyers, judges,
justices, secretaries of state... It was legal, and widely practiced, to
refuse to hire any African Americans, or rent or sell housing to them, or
serve them in restaurants... In much of the nation, blacks were even
forbidden by law to use the public drinking fountains designated for
whites. So that was quite a "peak".

Well, Gary, no one will argue that America has come a long ways from the Jim
Crow 1950s. And a huge percentage of blacks (and Latinos, and immigrants)
have continued to live the American Dream, and have made it out of initial
poverty through hard work and ingenuity.

But that's not what we're talking about. And if you take a long view of
black culture, the 1950s did represent something of a crest, with Jazz, the
Blues, Harlem, and all sorts of other cultural icons flying high.

In fact, some black celebrities have put forth that this era was a cultural
peak for blacks precisely *because* of segregation. All blacks were kept
apart from white society, and therefore all blacks -- from the elite, to the
dim -- were living together in relatively close proximity to one another.
This produced an amazing American sub-culture that is largely gone.

Now, the first thing that a successful black person does is get the hell out
of the inner city -- and who can blame them? Trouble is, places like
Harlem were quickly abandoned by the cultural elite, once they could leave,
leaving poverty and crime in their wake.

So, in fact, both you and Tom ("Doof") are correct.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Let's see. In the 1950's, there were hardly any black police,
firefighters, TV characters... let alone doctors, lawyers, judges,
justices, secretaries of state... It was legal, and widely practiced, to
refuse to hire any African Americans, or rent or sell housing to them, or
serve them in restaurants... In much of the nation, blacks were even
forbidden by law to use the public drinking fountains designated for
whites. So that was quite a "peak".

Well, Gary, no one will argue that America has come a long ways from the
Jim Crow 1950s. And a huge percentage of blacks (and Latinos, and
immigrants) have continued to live the American Dream, and have made it
out of initial poverty through hard work and ingenuity.

But that's not what we're talking about. And if you take a long view of
black culture, the 1950s did represent something of a crest, with Jazz,
the Blues, Harlem, and all sorts of other cultural icons flying high.

In fact, some black celebrities have put forth that this era was a
cultural peak for blacks precisely *because* of segregation...

So, in fact, both you and Tom ("Doof") are correct.

No, we're not both correct. Yes, it is possible to point to *some* good
things happening in virtually *any* era or circumstances (which is not to
agree with the specifics of your view on that, or the view of your unnamed,
unquoted "black celebrities"). But to summarize by saying, as "Doof" did,
that the progress of African Americans "peaked" in the 1950s is just a
travesty.

--Gary

No, we're not both correct. Yes, it is possible to point to *some* good
things happening in virtually *any* era or circumstances (which is not to
agree with the specifics of your view on that, or the view of your
unnamed, unquoted "black celebrities").

I can't remember the name (which is why I didn't attribute the quote in the
first place) but I *believe* it was Wynton Marsalis, and I *think* he said
that about Harlem's "glory years" on NPR's "Fresh Air" with Terry Gross.

Or, it may have been a lead-in to a Terry Gross' question to Marsalis?

Or, it *may* have been a quote taken from the PBS mini-series about Harlem?

I know I heard it some where -- but don't quote me!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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No, we're not both correct. Yes, it is possible to point to *some* good
things happening in virtually *any* era or circumstances (which is not
to
agree with the specifics of your view on that, or the view of your
unnamed, unquoted "black celebrities").

I can't remember the name (which is why I didn't attribute the quote in
the
first place) but I *believe* it was Wynton Marsalis, and I *think* he said
that about Harlem's "glory years" on NPR's "Fresh Air" with Terry Gross.

According to Tom Sowell, Harlem was originally an upper class black
neighborhood that banned the Irish.

According to Tom Sowell, Harlem was originally an upper class black
neighborhood that banned the Irish.

If true, that's rich...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I'm just waiting for someone to use the "Broken Window" fallacy.

Let's see. In the 1950's, there were hardly any black police,
firefighters, TV characters... let alone doctors, lawyers, judges,
justices, secretaries of state... It was legal, and widely practiced, to
refuse to hire any African Americans, or rent or sell housing to them, or
serve them in restaurants... In much of the nation, blacks were even
forbidden by law to use the public drinking fountains designated for
whites. So that was quite a "peak".

We all know that "stuff", so how about explaining the rampant pathologies
that began starting in the 1960's after they we're "freed"? Or don't they
teach THAT PART in schools? You DO know what pathologies I'm talking about,
don't you...being so "educated" and all...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

"Doof" wrote:

in the 1960's after they we're "freed"?

To which event are you referring? And why the quotes?

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Doof" wrote:

in the 1960's after they we're "freed"?

To which event are you referring? And why the quotes?

Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Is Politics The Way?
by Walter Williams (November 3, 2004)

"Numerous studies show that children raised in stable two-parent households
do far better than those raised in single-parent households. They are less
likely to have out-of-wedlock births, less likely to engage in criminal
behavior and more likely to complete high school. Historically, black
families have been relatively stable. From 1880 to 1960, the proportion of
black children raised in two-parent families held steady at around 70
percent; in 1925 Harlem, it was 85 percent. Today, only 38 percent of black
children are raised in two-parent families. In 1940, black illegitimacy was
16 percent; today, it's 70 percent. Stable two-parent families are vital for
a child's development. The solution to the problem of unstable families
won't be found in the political arena. There's nothing a president,
congressman or mayor can do. "

These are just the major highlights. If you REALLY want to know the facts,
rather than Jessie Jackson's spin and the left/MSM slurping it up, read "The
Economics and Politics of Race" by Thomas Sowell. He goes into depth about
the pathological behavior that the welfare state created. Such factors as
intergenerational dependency, gross irresponsibility, criminality,
intransigence ...all the traits we're seeing in _certain_ segments down in
NO.


Or, just like parents that never seem to kick their kids out of the roost,
continue to make excuses and make book on what happens when the **** hits
the fan nationally.