They really *are* shooting at the helicopters...

snip of great stuff

Unfortunately, some of those *******s are still somehow effected by all
that breeding and history. If they'd just grab their own bootstraps and
get on with it. What's the hell is the problem?

A well-written treatise, to be sure -- but I'd like to clarify something
he Are you implying that the problems of the underclass are due to
genetics?

If so, I would like to vehemently disagree. IMHO, this is a cultural --
not a racial -- problem.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

No. I just borrowed that abhorrent term "breeding". It's what kicked
of the treatise. Think 'cultural breeding' or just plain 'American
history' which is so easy to forget and ignore.

I constantly hear about the "values of our founding fathers" and I
think about those values that were specifically aimed and violently
enforced upon a very specific segment of our population by same
'fathers'. It's just history but so often ignored and minimized in
these sometimes thoughtless threads.

Why do I dislike off topic? Because too much of it is offensive to too
many. I can go to the local bar to debate this stuff. The airport bar
if I want to do it with pilots.

Jay Honeck wrote:
snip of great stuff

Unfortunately, some of those *******s are still somehow effected by all
that breeding and history. If they'd just grab their own bootstraps and
get on with it. What's the hell is the problem?


A well-written treatise, to be sure -- but I'd like to clarify something
he Are you implying that the problems of the underclass are due to
genetics?

If so, I would like to vehemently disagree. IMHO, this is a cultural --
not a racial -- problem.

"Maule Driver" wrote in message
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No. I just borrowed that abhorrent term "breeding". It's what kicked of
the treatise. Think 'cultural breeding' or just plain 'American history'
which is so easy to forget and ignore.

I constantly hear about the "values of our founding fathers" and I think
about those values that were specifically aimed and violently enforced
upon a very specific segment of our population by same 'fathers'.

If you lived in those times, you'd have done much worse, I suspect.

You know, as one grows in knowledge and maturity one _usually_ gathers a
great sense of context. That is one major facet of the maturing process.

You missed a whole bunch of it.

...and you don't have a clue.

Doof wrote:
"Maule Driver" wrote in message
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No. I just borrowed that abhorrent term "breeding". It's what kicked of
the treatise. Think 'cultural breeding' or just plain 'American history'
which is so easy to forget and ignore.

I constantly hear about the "values of our founding fathers" and I think
about those values that were specifically aimed and violently enforced
upon a very specific segment of our population by same 'fathers'.


If you lived in those times, you'd have done much worse, I suspect.

You know, as one grows in knowledge and maturity one _usually_ gathers a
great sense of context. That is one major facet of the maturing process.

You missed a whole bunch of it.

"Maule Driver" wrote in message
om...
..and you don't have a clue.

I know history, and I know the context in which it happened.

You demonstrate a pertinent lack of both.

You just shoot your mouth off with what you've been fed.

Quite simply, you're the one whose clueless and ignorant to boot.

Bet $100 ou never read the personal letters of the Founders.

Bet another $10 you've never followed history other than school or TV.



Doof wrote:
"Maule Driver" wrote in message
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No. I just borrowed that abhorrent term "breeding". It's what kicked of
the treatise. Think 'cultural breeding' or just plain 'American history'
which is so easy to forget and ignore.

I constantly hear about the "values of our founding fathers" and I think
about those values that were specifically aimed and violently enforced
upon a very specific segment of our population by same 'fathers'.


If you lived in those times, you'd have done much worse, I suspect.

You know, as one grows in knowledge and maturity one _usually_ gathers a
great sense of context. That is one major facet of the maturing process.

You missed a whole bunch of it.

"Doof" wrote in message
...

"Maule Driver" wrote in message
om...
..and you don't have a clue.

I know history, and I know the context in which it happened.

You demonstrate a pertinent lack of both.

You just shoot your mouth off with what you've been fed.

Quite simply, you're the one whose clueless and ignorant to boot.

Bet $100 ou never read the personal letters of the Founders.

Bet another $10 you've never followed history other than school or TV.


One last thing: since YOU'RE the one just barfing back the typical
school/media line, you might get a clue about cluelessness. Prime example of
"Freudian Projection". Can you do anything with history other than play
Trivia Pursuit?

More so than before, I think you'd have been more on the Klan side.

"Doof" wrote in message
...

"Maule Driver" wrote in message
om...
..and you don't have a clue.

I know history, and I know the context in which it happened.

You demonstrate a pertinent lack of both.

You just shoot your mouth off with what you've been fed.

Quite simply, you're the one whose clueless and ignorant to boot.

Bet $100 ou never read the personal letters of the Founders.

Did you happen to notice the difference between their style of argument and
yours?

--Gary

Doof wrote:
"Maule Driver" wrote in message
..and you don't have a clue.

I know history, and I know the context in which it happened.

You demonstrate a pertinent lack of both.

You just shoot your mouth off with what you've been fed.

Quite simply, you're the one whose clueless and ignorant to boot.

Bet $100 ou never read the personal letters of the Founders.
I'll take you at your word anonymous, $100.
I'm not sure what might be considered the personal letters of the
founders other than what is commonly called the "Federalist Papers", a
collection of writings published in support and defense of the idea of a
US constitution. Madison, Hamilton and John Jay I believe. I was first
exposed in high school but read them almost in their entirety about 3
years ago when I ran across them in my Mom's bookcase.

Is that a winner?

Bet another $10 you've never followed history other than school or TV.

I do read.
My current reading includes
"The Command of the Ocean, A Naval History of Britain 1649 - 1815"
N.A.M. Rodger - since reading as much aviation history as I could find,
I started on maritime stuff.
Several readings I would call 'historical analysis of philosophy and
society' by Michel Faucault. "Discipline & Punish, The Birth of the
Prison" and "History of Sexuality (sic)" - both more pertinent to this
dialog than one would ever imagine.
"...Concerning the Two New Sciences" Galileo Galilei just for kicks

Can I get $10 for those?

Contact me directly for an address to send payment. I'll post the
receipt. Thanks and
please forgive me for biting...

... and you know what to replace the MD with

Doof wrote:

If you lived in those times, you'd have done much worse, I suspect.

Sounds to me that you are assuming that "Maule Driver" is white. That's a
*really* poor idea on Usenet.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Doof wrote:

If you lived in those times, you'd have done much worse, I suspect.

Sounds to me that you are assuming that "Maule Driver" is white. That's a
*really* poor idea on Usenet.

You do remember who it was that sold blacks into slavery, don't you?