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Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
Hilton wrote: what the heck do you do (can you do) if you're in IMC on an ILS and your GS fails? You're screwed and only luck will save your butt You can't be serious with that claim. Firstly, please note that after the word "butt", I had "(it may be less dramatic when surrounded by flatter terrain)." So, we're assuming mountainous terrain or other nearby obstacles. When would you start flying the missed? How would you start flying the missed? Are you guaranteed to be flying the missed approach as published? Hilton |
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![]() "Hilton" wrote in message ink.net... Firstly, please note that after the word "butt", I had "(it may be less dramatic when surrounded by flatter terrain)." So, we're assuming mountainous terrain or other nearby obstacles. When would you start flying the missed? At the point specified in the procedure. How would you start flying the missed? In the manner specified in the procedure. Are you guaranteed to be flying the missed approach as published? Yes. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Hilton wrote: Firstly, please note that after the word "butt", I had "(it may be less dramatic when surrounded by flatter terrain)." So, we're assuming mountainous terrain or other nearby obstacles. When would you start flying the missed? At the point specified in the procedure. You work for Microsoft? ![]() Hilton |
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![]() "Hilton" wrote in message ink.net... You work for Microsoft? Nope. Do you hold an instrument rating? |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Hilton wrote: You work for Microsoft? Nope. Do you hold an instrument rating? I really dislike these ****ing contests on the NGs because I think that everyone's input is perfect valid and should be seriously considered whether they are a student pilot or a high-time 747 Captain. But if you're bored enough, Hilton in San Jose, CA will get my details on landings.com Hilton |
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![]() "Hilton" wrote in message ink.net... I really dislike these ****ing contests on the NGs because I think that everyone's input is perfect valid and should be seriously considered whether they are a student pilot or a high-time 747 Captain. I seriously considered your input, it took just a few nanoseconds for me to determine it was not valid. You asserted there's no way to ensure you are at the MAP without timing from the FAF. That's simply not correct. But if you're bored enough, Hilton in San Jose, CA will get my details on landings.com I asked only because you don't seem to have a good knowledge of ILS. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
I seriously considered your input, it took just a few nanoseconds for me to determine it was not valid. You asserted there's no way to ensure you are at the MAP without timing from the FAF. That's simply not correct. Well Steven, why don't you just come right out and tell them about the Middle Marker? Bob Moore |
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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:14:48 GMT, "Hilton" wrote:
Ron Rosenfeld wrote: Hilton wrote: what the heck do you do (can you do) if you're in IMC on an ILS and your GS fails? You're screwed and only luck will save your butt You can't be serious with that claim. Firstly, please note that after the word "butt", I had "(it may be less dramatic when surrounded by flatter terrain)." So, we're assuming mountainous terrain or other nearby obstacles. When would you start flying the missed? I would start climbing immediately and turn when close to the MAP How would you start flying the missed? See above Are you guaranteed to be flying the missed approach as published? Yes Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) |
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Hilton wrote:
Firstly, please note that after the word "butt", I had "(it may be less dramatic when surrounded by flatter terrain)." So, we're assuming mountainous terrain or other nearby obstacles. When would you start flying the missed? How would you start flying the missed? Are you guaranteed to be flying the missed approach as published? You start climbing when the G/S fails. That is flying the missed even though you have not reached the MAP (DA point with ILS) If the missed approach track is straight ahead you are home free. If the missed approach is a track reversal back to the LOM or a VOR behind you, you are also home free because all the airspace is protected from the P-FAF to the DA point (plus 1.5 miles after that) on the turn side. If the turn is less than a 180 (or thereabouts) then the simple math Stephen suggests will get you well within protected missed approach airspace. And, who knows, you might be at a location where ATC can help you with radar. ;-) This is the 21st Century, so anybody who doesn't have GPS to preempt these types of "1950s" problems probably needs to find another, safer hobby. ;-) |
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