Missed approach (?) when glideslope fails

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

Hilton wrote:
what the heck do you do (can you do) if you're in
IMC on an ILS and your GS fails? You're screwed and only luck will save
your butt

You can't be serious with that claim.

Firstly, please note that after the word "butt", I had "(it may be less
dramatic when surrounded by flatter terrain)." So, we're assuming
mountainous terrain or other nearby obstacles.

When would you start flying the missed?
How would you start flying the missed?
Are you guaranteed to be flying the missed approach as published?

Hilton

"Hilton" wrote in message
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Firstly, please note that after the word "butt", I had "(it may be less
dramatic when surrounded by flatter terrain)." So, we're assuming
mountainous terrain or other nearby obstacles.

When would you start flying the missed?


At the point specified in the procedure.



How would you start flying the missed?


In the manner specified in the procedure.



Are you guaranteed to be flying the missed approach as published?


Yes.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Hilton wrote:

Firstly, please note that after the word "butt", I had "(it may be less
dramatic when surrounded by flatter terrain)." So, we're assuming
mountainous terrain or other nearby obstacles.

When would you start flying the missed?


At the point specified in the procedure.

You work for Microsoft? [in reference to the "in an airplane!" joke]

Hilton

"Hilton" wrote in message
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You work for Microsoft?


Nope. Do you hold an instrument rating?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Hilton wrote:

You work for Microsoft?


Nope. Do you hold an instrument rating?

I really dislike these ****ing contests on the NGs because I think that
everyone's input is perfect valid and should be seriously considered whether
they are a student pilot or a high-time 747 Captain.

But if you're bored enough, Hilton in San Jose, CA will get my details on
landings.com

Hilton

"Hilton" wrote in message
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I really dislike these ****ing contests on the NGs because I think that
everyone's input is perfect valid and should be seriously considered
whether they are a student pilot or a high-time 747 Captain.


I seriously considered your input, it took just a few nanoseconds for me to
determine it was not valid. You asserted there's no way to ensure you are
at the MAP without timing from the FAF. That's simply not correct.



But if you're bored enough, Hilton in San Jose, CA will get my details on
landings.com


I asked only because you don't seem to have a good knowledge of ILS.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
I seriously considered your input, it took just a few nanoseconds for
me to determine it was not valid. You asserted there's no way to
ensure you are at the MAP without timing from the FAF. That's simply
not correct.

Well Steven, why don't you just come right out and tell them
about the Middle Marker?

Bob Moore

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:14:48 GMT, "Hilton" wrote:

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

Hilton wrote:
what the heck do you do (can you do) if you're in
IMC on an ILS and your GS fails? You're screwed and only luck will save
your butt

You can't be serious with that claim.

Firstly, please note that after the word "butt", I had "(it may be less
dramatic when surrounded by flatter terrain)." So, we're assuming
mountainous terrain or other nearby obstacles.

When would you start flying the missed?

I would start climbing immediately and turn when close to the MAP

How would you start flying the missed?

See above

Are you guaranteed to be flying the missed approach as published?

Yes

Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Hilton wrote:



Firstly, please note that after the word "butt", I had "(it may be less
dramatic when surrounded by flatter terrain)." So, we're assuming
mountainous terrain or other nearby obstacles.

When would you start flying the missed?
How would you start flying the missed?
Are you guaranteed to be flying the missed approach as published?

You start climbing when the G/S fails. That is flying the missed even
though you have not reached the MAP (DA point with ILS)

If the missed approach track is straight ahead you are home free.
If the missed approach is a track reversal back to the LOM or a VOR
behind you, you are also home free because all the airspace is protected
from the P-FAF to the DA point (plus 1.5 miles after that) on the turn side.

If the turn is less than a 180 (or thereabouts) then the simple math
Stephen suggests will get you well within protected missed approach
airspace.

And, who knows, you might be at a location where ATC can help you with
radar. ;-)

This is the 21st Century, so anybody who doesn't have GPS to preempt
these types of "1950s" problems probably needs to find another, safer
hobby. ;-)