Farewell, Tomcat

Paul,

Nothing else carries the Phoenix, right?


Whcih was fired in earnest exactly how many times?

These days, rules of engagement almost always call for visual id before
shooting, or at least making a lot surer you know who you're shooting
at than is possible from 100 miles away.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Nothing else carries the Phoenix, right?

Whcih was fired in earnest exactly how many times?
These days, rules of engagement almost always call for visual id before
shooting, or at least making a lot surer you know who you're shooting
at than is possible from 100 miles away.

Thomas, you obviously have not seen footage as recorded through the
target/imaging pods! They can see a LONG way off! Couple the onboard
sensors with airborne C&C AWACs and you are going to have a very high
probability of knowing friend from foe.

John,

They can see a LONG way off! Couple the onboard
sensors with airborne C&C AWACs and you are going to have a very high
probability of knowing friend from foe.


Ok. So WHY haven't they been used in earnest? In all likely situations,
shorter-distance weapons were used. Prime example is the Lybian
shoot-down.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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Thomas Borchert wrote:

John,

They can see a LONG way off! Couple the onboard
sensors with airborne C&C AWACs and you are going to have a very high
probability of knowing friend from foe.

Ok. So WHY haven't they been used in earnest? In all likely situations,
shorter-distance weapons were used. Prime example is the Lybian
shoot-down.

Which Libyan engagement?

Maybe this one,
Jan 4 1989 two F-14 from squadron VF-32 engaged Libyan MIG-23 Floggers
over the Gulf of Sidra. One kill was with a AIM-7 Sparrow, the other an
AIM-9 Sidewinder. I think the F-14's were flying from the USS John F
Kennedy?

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"john smith" wrote in message
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In article ,
Thomas Borchert wrote:

John,

They can see a LONG way off! Couple the onboard
sensors with airborne C&C AWACs and you are going to have a very high
probability of knowing friend from foe.

Ok. So WHY haven't they been used in earnest? In all likely situations,
shorter-distance weapons were used. Prime example is the Lybian
shoot-down.

Which Libyan engagement?

In article ,
Thomas Borchert wrote:

Ok. So WHY haven't they been used in earnest?

probably because the ROE haven't allow for it or one wasn't needed, yet.

In all likely situations,
shorter-distance weapons were used. Prime example is the Lybian
shoot-down.

"likely situations" aren't the only consideration in determining threats
and military weapon systems capabilities to meet those threats.

In any case, the threat assessement(s) used as the basis for the
long-range air-to-air missile requirements are almost certainly classified
and not something that can be discussed in a public forum.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

Are you serious? Using the Phoenix against Soviet Bears attacking the
fleet in the Atlantic escorting conveys to Europe is really old news. It
was to be the classic situation where everybody is a bad guy so they
could launch at long ranges.

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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"likely situations" aren't the only consideration in determining
threats
and military weapon systems capabilities to meet those threats.

In any case, the threat assessement(s) used as the basis for the
long-range air-to-air missile requirements are almost certainly
classified
and not something that can be discussed in a public forum.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

Bob,

From: Bob Noel
Ok. So WHY haven't they been used in earnest?

probably because the ROE haven't allow for it or one wasn't needed, yet.

Uh, that's pretty much what I said, isn't it?

"likely situations" aren't the only consideration in determining threats
and military weapon systems capabilities to meet those threats.

No? Then why are they gone from the inventory?


In any case, the threat assessement(s) used as the basis for the
long-range air-to-air missile requirements are almost certainly classified
and not something that can be discussed in a public forum.

You gotta be kidding. "If only I could tell you what I really know"? I know
many here really liked that kind of approach to the WMDs in Iraq, but please
look where we have come since then.

sfb has it right: The scenario which made the Phoenix nice to have is gone.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)