Badges ? ... We don't need no stinkin' badges

ContestID67 wrote:
Quick - where did the line "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!"
come from?


Mel Brooks "Blazing Saddles"

Tony V.

First known usage:

Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948)

Gold Hat (Mexican): "Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no
badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges."

Mike

Tony Verhulst wrote:
ContestID67 wrote:
Quick - where did the line "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!"
come from?


Mel Brooks "Blazing Saddles"

Tony V.

Ok, I didn't get the quote quite right. I was going for the Treasure of
the Sierra Madre allusion.

The question remains, is cheating in badge flights so rampant as to
justify the cost difference between secure and non secure igc files? I
mean really, in a land of conspiracy theories, I could always get
someone else to do the flying for me.

The truth is, I would like to have that Gilligan's Island hat with the
the pins. I guess I'll wait until I can borrow a logger (a real
possibility) or until I buy a logger for contest purposes.

In the meantime, I'll have fun flying. I hope everyone else does too.
It was never my intention to denigrate badge flying or those who pursue
badges.

Doug

Doug,

The answer is no. There is no reason why for most country specific
badges a GPS trace is not good enough. We should allow that for all
flights up to gaining the gold badge. We need to lower the cost and
encourage badge flying. It builds skills and discipline that make
better cross-country pilots. We have let the paranoid take over again.
If someone wants to cheat on a badge that is their problem. No one
but ourselves care about what we did to earn the badge.

I have old cameras you can have if you want them and I have an EW-D
logger you can barrow if you would like to try some badge flights. All
you need is a Garmin GPS to feed a signal to it.

I just got news today that my diamond badge was approved. Only took 14
years to get that pesky altitude gain knocked off. And yes, it was
worth the trouble to get it.

Tim

ttaylor at cc.usu.edu wrote:


I have old cameras you can have if you want them and I have an EW-D
logger you can barrow if you would like to try some badge flights. All
you need is a Garmin GPS to feed a signal to it.

Or any other cheap mouse type GPS. The final igc file will be fine
This badge&cheap GPS issue come up year by year. Few enthusiastic
pilot joined and created COTS proposal to IGC but nothing has changed so
far

/Janos

Jancsika wrote:
ttaylor at cc.usu.edu wrote:


I have old cameras you can have if you want them and I have an EW-D
logger you can barrow if you would like to try some badge flights. All
you need is a Garmin GPS to feed a signal to it.


Or any other cheap mouse type GPS. The final igc file will be fine
This badge&cheap GPS issue come up year by year. Few enthusiastic pilot
joined and created COTS proposal to IGC but nothing has changed so far

Like it, or not, if one wants to get a badge with an EW, one must use
one of the Garmin GPS units listed in the approval document...

Marc

Marc Ramsey wrote:
Jancsika wrote:

ttaylor at cc.usu.edu wrote:


I have old cameras you can have if you want them and I have an EW-D
logger you can barrow if you would like to try some badge flights. All
you need is a Garmin GPS to feed a signal to it.



Or any other cheap mouse type GPS. The final igc file will be fine
This badge&cheap GPS issue come up year by year. Few enthusiastic
pilot joined and created COTS proposal to IGC but nothing has changed
so far


Like it, or not, if one wants to get a badge with an EW, one must use
one of the Garmin GPS units listed in the approval document...

Marc

It's just funny to see the weakness of the system...
There is a good summary about other possibilities in Sailplane&Gliding
June-July page 53.

/Jancsika

Doug Snyder wrote:
Ok, I didn't get the quote quite right. I was going for the Treasure of
the Sierra Madre allusion.

The question remains, is cheating in badge flights so rampant as to
justify the cost difference between secure and non secure igc files? I
mean really, in a land of conspiracy theories, I could always get
someone else to do the flying for me.

The truth is, I would like to have that Gilligan's Island hat with the
the pins. I guess I'll wait until I can borrow a logger (a real
possibility) or until I buy a logger for contest purposes.

Cameras and mechanical barographs are quite suitable for badge flights.
You can buy a usable 35 mm cameras in any thrift store for a dollar or
so, then you just have to find an "old timer" with a barograph to loan
you. You may know a person like that already, and he might be a good
choice for an official observer. Since he owns one, he probably knows
the procedures for badges using cameras and barographs.

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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

Eric Greenwell wrote:

Cameras and mechanical barographs are quite suitable for badge flights.
You can buy a usable 35 mm cameras in any thrift store for a dollar or
so, then you just have to find an "old timer" with a barograph to loan
you. You may know a person like that already, and he might be a good
choice for an official observer. Since he owns one, he probably knows
the procedures for badges using cameras and barographs.


Yes, but there is hugh disadvantage. While I just fly over the
turnpont and turn after the beep, the camera user has to fly well over
the turnpont - bank the glider - realize that it was not enough - go
a but further again - bank again - take one or two pictures. It's
valid for all turnpoints including start sector.
I already donated my 35mm camera to the club but noone use it...

/Jancsika

Jancsika wrote:
Eric Greenwell wrote:


Cameras and mechanical barographs are quite suitable for badge
flights. You can buy a usable 35 mm cameras in any thrift store for a
dollar or so, then you just have to find an "old timer" with a
barograph to loan you. You may know a person like that already, and he
might be a good choice for an official observer. Since he owns one, he
probably knows the procedures for badges using cameras and barographs.


Yes, but there is hugh disadvantage. While I just fly over the turnpont
and turn after the beep, the camera user has to fly well over the
turnpont - bank the glider - realize that it was not enough - go a
but further again - bank again - take one or two pictures. It's valid
for all turnpoints including start sector.

I don't think this is a huge disadvantage for a badge flight, where
speed is not the essence of the flight. I used cameras for my badge
flights, and had very little trouble. Easily identifiable turnpoints
should be chosen, and the pilot should practice taking pictures locally
before making the badge flights. With this practice, it takes perhaps a
minute or so longer to do it than with a GPS. That's a maximum of two
minutes extra on an O&R, four minutes extra on a triangle flight. This
is not what will keep a new pilot from success.

If the pilot is navigating with a cheap GPS, it may not even take a
minute extra at the turnpoint, but perhaps 20 seconds, based on my
experience.

For record flights (especially speed), for small clubs where an official
observer may be hard to get just before the flight, and for the
convenience of the OO, a logger is very useful. For free turnpoint
flights and the OLC, of course, it is a requirement.

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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA