High Cost of Sportplanes

W P Dixon,

Indeed you can't afford to pay your workers what you bill for, but when
the accountant / tax man / insurance man are done singing, the worker
costs the company approximately $45/hr. Oh, yeah, don't forget the down
time as well.

Evan

Maybe all that has to do with why our jobs go overseas for production of
parts, etc. Our Unions have a very bad habit of saying gimme gimme gimme
until the company has no profit margain to stay in biz and nothing left to
give but pink slips. Funny how sometimes we can cut our own throats like
that.
I just keep hoping a company will come up in aviation with some workers
in aviation that understand all this and can come together and build a plane
for what it is truly worth. Simply put, if they don't it will not succede.
Sport planes will cont. to come from Europe and maybe even China if they
catch on!We will simply cut our own throats again.
And rememer alot of companies do not pay employees for down time, in
alot of industries. I've had to take my vacation time during those periods
so I'd get a check that week or two. No vacation, no pay..and again I stress
...we are not talking a big company on the scale of Boeing or Wal MArt..we
are talking a simple small scale startup . I think some folks are thinking
way to big .

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

"Evan Carew" wrote in message
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W P Dixon,

Indeed you can't afford to pay your workers what you bill for, but when
the accountant / tax man / insurance man are done singing, the worker
costs the company approximately $45/hr. Oh, yeah, don't forget the down
time as well.

Evan

"W P Dixon" wrote in message
...
Maybe all that has to do with why our jobs go overseas for production of
parts, etc. Our Unions have a very bad habit of saying gimme gimme gimme
until the company has no profit margain to stay in biz and nothing left to
give but pink slips. Funny how sometimes we can cut our own throats like
that.

I did a research paper on union costs about four years back, there was a
small bit about foriegn shops also. I had to change a lot of my initial
ideas when the data did not support the idea that unions cost more. In the
end with three fellows assisting me we could not prove any significant
difference. Other factors, most notably management decisions, market
changes, technology changes all had far more discernable effects than union
vs non-union labour costs. We ignored the offshore labour market as much as
possible because the whole game is different.

Dan wrote:

I did a research paper on union costs about four years back, there was a
small bit about foriegn shops also. I had to change a lot of my initial
ideas when the data did not support the idea that unions cost more. In the
end with three fellows assisting me we could not prove any significant
difference.

A firm I worked for made a decent living sub-contracting assembly operations
for heavily unionized manufacturers. At that time non-union labor in Maine
was significantly less expensive than unionized labor in the Boston area,
to say nothing of having greater productivity.

The sad thing is the unionized trades are supported in part by the
non-unionized workers. The history of US trade unions is primarily that of
each hog guarding his own trough.


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Evan Carew wrote:

Indeed you can't afford to pay your workers what you bill for, but when
the accountant / tax man / insurance man are done singing, the worker
costs the company approximately $45/hr. Oh, yeah, don't forget the down
time as well.

And hopefully there's at least a little bit left over for profit for
the folks who took the risks and did all the hard work to get the
company started.

The main reason I doubt that it's realistically possible to produce GA
or LSA planes a LOT cheaper is simply that "no one is doing it". If
there was a way to crank out quality GA aircraft at a very reasonable
price, someone would be doing it and reaping the rewards (of cornering
the market).

Mark "free market would find a way" Hickey