Liberals Ignore The Wright Brothers

When kids stop playing with airplanes, they stop dreaming about flying... :-(

Jay, I think it's the other way round: When kids stop dreaming about
flying, they stop playing with airplanes.

Kids play with toys that already interest them, not vice versa.

Like it or not, "history marches on." Aviation is not as romantic as
it was when I was a kid. Pilots no longer wear helmet, goggles, and a
silk scarf. People no longer rush out of their homes to watch
airplanes fly over, as they did when I was a kid.

Youngsters today have no idea who Lindbergh was, or Jimmy Doolittle,
or even Wrong Way Corrigan. The Derring-do exploits of aviators are no
longer on the front pages of newspapers. Why should kids be
interested in aviation?

vince norris

vincent p. norris wrote:

Why should kids be
interested in aviation?


Because it's magic.

Modern planes are even more magic than those of the Wright brothers.
They looked so light and delicate, it was easy to see the relationship
between a child's kite and the larger flying machines. Of course they
could fly.

But now? Hundreds of tons of metal suspended miles above the earth with
nothing to hold it up? Traveling at speeds faster than the earth can
rotate beneath it?
How about a plane that can fly around the world on one tank of gas?

You get the idea.
Magic.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino

"Cartoons with a Touch of Magic"
http://www.wizardofdraws.com
http://www.cartoonclipart.com

At some point in relatively recent history, many things that we currently
take for granted were Magic...

The Light Bulb
The Telephone
The Car
The Computer
The Internet
Christmas



I think for most people nowadays, there isn't much Magic. Nowadays it's
always about money. There isn't even much visionary Sci-Fi to lead us to
our next dream... We've even got the Cell-Phone as a Star Trek
Communicator...


At least for most people, anyway. I still enjoy the magic of flying...
And even some other things... Although I have become something of a
pragmatist - or maybe even a cyncic. (Could you tell?)

Maybe we just need some George Orwell meets Gene Roddenberry meets George
Lucas style visionaries to come up with the next world-wide fantasy that
might be achievable in the next 50 years.

And then we need a good leader to declare it the mission...

Wizard of Draws wrote in
:

vincent p. norris wrote:

Why should kids be
interested in aviation?


Because it's magic.

Modern planes are even more magic than those of the Wright brothers.
They looked so light and delicate, it was easy to see the relationship
between a child's kite and the larger flying machines. Of course they
could fly.

But now? Hundreds of tons of metal suspended miles above the earth with
nothing to hold it up? Traveling at speeds faster than the earth can
rotate beneath it?
How about a plane that can fly around the world on one tank of gas?

You get the idea.
Magic.

"Judah" At some point in relatively recent history,
many things that we currently
take for granted were Magic...

The Light Bulb
The Telephone
The Car
The Computer
The Internet
Christmas

That's just life...

I think for most people nowadays, there isn't much Magic. Nowadays it's
always about money. There isn't even much visionary Sci-Fi to lead us to
our next dream... We've even got the Cell-Phone as a Star Trek
Communicator...

....ut that's overly cynical

At least for most people, anyway. I still enjoy the magic of flying...
And even some other things... Although I have become something of a
pragmatist - or maybe even a cyncic. (Could you tell?)

I enjoy it too... and I think you are just getting older. I know that for
sure.

I watched "Master and Commander" the other night and fantasized about how
magical sailing and sailing ships must have been in previous centuries.
Sort of like space flight in the last one. The magic of open ocean sailing
is still there but so is thousands of other pursuits. We just have some
many damn options available to so damn many people. It's great! .

Yeah, you're right. But I can still be cynical if I really want to!

"Maule Driver" wrote in
. com:

"Judah" At some point in relatively recent
history, many things that we currently
take for granted were Magic...

The Light Bulb
The Telephone
The Car
The Computer
The Internet
Christmas

That's just life...

I think for most people nowadays, there isn't much Magic. Nowadays
it's always about money. There isn't even much visionary Sci-Fi to
lead us to our next dream... We've even got the Cell-Phone as a Star
Trek Communicator...

...ut that's overly cynical

At least for most people, anyway. I still enjoy the magic of flying...
And even some other things... Although I have become something of a
pragmatist - or maybe even a cyncic. (Could you tell?)

I enjoy it too... and I think you are just getting older. I know that
for sure.

I watched "Master and Commander" the other night and fantasized about
how magical sailing and sailing ships must have been in previous
centuries. Sort of like space flight in the last one. The magic of
open ocean sailing is still there but so is thousands of other
pursuits. We just have some many damn options available to so damn
many people. It's great! .

I watched "Master and Commander" the other night and fantasized about how
magical sailing and sailing ships must have been in previous centuries.

After you've been shanghaied, lashed by the cat o' nine tails, fed on
weevils and biscuits, sent aloft in a gale, sodomized by the bosun,
and had your teeth fall out from scurvy, precious little of that magic
remains.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

After you've been shanghaied, lashed by the cat o' nine tails, fed on
weevils and biscuits, sent aloft in a gale, sodomized by the bosun,
and had your teeth fall out from scurvy, precious little of that magic
remains.

My thoughts, exactly.

There was very little "magic" in any human endeavor, prior to the 20th
century, unless you were wealthy.

And there was certainly not any to be found as a ship's mate, from
everything I've read.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Life on land may not have been all that much more magical for the common
person. Life tended to be brutal and short for most - city or countryside.
You were either steering or being ground up by the wheels - and most people
were simply fodder for the few.

Speaking of movies, I was dragged out to see the "Last Samurai". Can't
really recommend it except as escapist, fantasy violence. But I can
recommend a related book, James Bradley's "Flyboys" "A true story of
courage". Related? The book starts with a sweeping historical look at
Samurai culture and fuedal Japan which it then brings into the 20th Century
and WWII. Bush senior is one of the flyboys that is shot down. A very
detailed and seemingly well researched account of what happened to Dive
bomber pilots shot down at an island next to Iwo Jima. Great battlefield
account with a lot of stuff you've never read before and a surprising
ending.

Great book. Made the "Last Samurai" viewing worth it.... almost.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:O%jCb.513413$Tr4.1431059@attbi_s03...
After you've been shanghaied, lashed by the cat o' nine tails, fed on
weevils and biscuits, sent aloft in a gale, sodomized by the bosun,
and had your teeth fall out from scurvy, precious little of that magic
remains.

My thoughts, exactly.

There was very little "magic" in any human endeavor, prior to the 20th
century, unless you were wealthy.

And there was certainly not any to be found as a ship's mate, from
everything I've read.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"After you've been shanghaied, lashed by the cat o' nine tails, fed
on
weevils and biscuits, sent aloft in a gale, sodomized by the bosun,
and had your teeth fall out from scurvy, precious little of that magic
remains."

And the FAA is any different??? :P


Some things are worth it.
You could get to see things no other human had seen yet.
I guess it depends what ships you were on and wether it
was by choice!
James Cook and the HMS Endeavour, vessels of discovery
sounds pretty cool. Werent everybodys teeth falling out back
then anyways? Cook didnt survive his last voyage if I recall.

Oh boy look out.....Must post Capt. Kirk quotes. Cant... resist,
must.......post......the captain!

"but I must point out that the possibilities, the potential for
knowledge and advancement is equally great. Risk. Risk is our
business. That's what this starship is all about. That's why we're
aboard her."
-- Captain James T. Kirk,


On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:47:09 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote:


I watched "Master and Commander" the other night and fantasized about how
magical sailing and sailing ships must have been in previous centuries.

After you've been shanghaied, lashed by the cat o' nine tails, fed on
weevils and biscuits, sent aloft in a gale, sodomized by the bosun,
and had your teeth fall out from scurvy, precious little of that magic
remains.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

Mutts wrote:
"After you've been shanghaied, lashed by the cat o' nine tails, fed

on
weevils and biscuits, sent aloft in a gale, sodomized by the bosun,
and had your teeth fall out from scurvy, precious little of that magic
remains."


And the FAA is any different??? :P


Some things are worth it.
You could get to see things no other human had seen yet.
I guess it depends what ships you were on and wether it
was by choice!
James Cook and the HMS Endeavour, vessels of discovery
sounds pretty cool. Werent everybodys teeth falling out back
then anyways? Cook didnt survive his last voyage if I recall.

Oh boy look out.....Must post Capt. Kirk quotes. Cant... resist,
must.......post......the captain!

"but I must point out that the possibilities, the potential for
knowledge and advancement is equally great. Risk. Risk is our
business. That's what this starship is all about. That's why we're
aboard her."
-- Captain James T. Kirk,



Which brings up the question of "what's the most dangerous job in the
galaxy?"
Answer: Having a non-speaking role on a Star Trek "away-team".