A320 with gear problem over LA

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No brakes, huh? What kind of plane are you talking about? Have you
done
any on short fields? (As most turf strips are.) If it's swampy enough
to
create enough drag to quickly slow you down well, that's the same as
braking, right? *Think.*

First you said "soft field" (go back and reread your own post) **no
brakes** Now you're saying "short field". Of course you'd use brakes
on a short field. I'm a CFI, this is nothing new to me, I've taught
short/soft field techniques till I puked.

"Have you done any (soft field landings, the topic of conversation, in case
you forgot or are too dense) on short fields? (As most turf strips are.)"
Is that better now? You, of course, know that most soft fields are short.
And, you don't use short field technique because you want to TD as lightly
as possible and that often requires dragging it in with a bit of power. You
really don't touch the brakes doing this on a 1500' grass strip? Sure.

And spare me your smartass
comments like "try again" and "think" when you're contradicting
yourself *Genius*

It's Usenet. And you've misread my post. Try to get over it.

moo

Happy Dog wrote:
Brakes are used during a soft field landing where the point is to put as little weight as possible on the nose gear. Try again.

Dude - your original assertion (above) was ridiculous. ANY braking will
put more weight on the nose wheel. That's what I was responding to.
Hell, even George P. is backing me up here : )

you don't use short field technique because you want to TD as lightly as possible

Short field technique doesn't necessarily mean a carrier landing-type
touchdown IMHO

You really don't touch the brakes doing this on a 1500' grass strip?

Now you're being more specific. On a familiar grass field, of course.
(I'd never fly into one that short (personal minimums) I fly a T-tail
Lance, definitely not a short/soft field plane. Maybe in a taildragger,
but then I'd never use the brakes (or even need them for that matter)

in case you forgot or are too dense

Are you this obnoxious in person?

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Brakes are used during a soft field landing where the point is to put as
little weight as possible on the nose gear. Try again.

Dude - your original assertion (above) was ridiculous. ANY braking will
put more weight on the nose wheel. That's what I was responding to.
Hell, even George P. is backing me up here : )

Both are irrelevant. You use brakes during a soft field landing unless
conditions, rare conditions, prohibit them.

you don't use short field technique because you want to TD as lightly as
possible

Short field technique doesn't necessarily mean a carrier landing-type
touchdown IMHO

Huh?

You really don't touch the brakes doing this on a 1500' grass strip?

Now you're being more specific. On a familiar grass field, of course.
(I'd never fly into one that short (personal minimums) I fly a T-tail
Lance, definitely not a short/soft field plane. Maybe in a taildragger,
but then I'd never use the brakes (or even need them for that matter)

in case you forgot or are too dense

Are you this obnoxious in person?

Yes. But you wouldn't see it that way. Welcome to Usenet.

moo

Happy Dog wrote:

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Brakes are used during a soft field landing where the point is to put as
little weight as possible on the nose gear. Try again.

Dude - your original assertion (above) was ridiculous. ANY braking will
put more weight on the nose wheel. That's what I was responding to.
Hell, even George P. is backing me up here : )


Both are irrelevant. You use brakes during a soft field landing unless
conditions, rare conditions, prohibit them.

Just the opposite. You don't use the brakes during a soft field landing
unless rare conditions require them. You typically will have all of the
deceleration you need from the drag of the wheels in the soft field.
You should do some research before making yourself look so foolish in
public. It is easy to Google "soft field landing" and find lots of
useful information.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in
Both are irrelevant. You use brakes during a soft field landing unless
conditions, rare conditions, prohibit them.

Just the opposite. You don't use the brakes during a soft field landing
unless rare conditions require them. You typically will have all of the
deceleration you need from the drag of the wheels in the soft field.

Your practical experience doing this is? What's the length of the field?
Again, *most* of them are short (2500'). And most turf strips are firm
most of the time.

moo

Happy Dog wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in

Both are irrelevant. You use brakes during a soft field landing unless
conditions, rare conditions, prohibit them.

Just the opposite. You don't use the brakes during a soft field landing
unless rare conditions require them. You typically will have all of the
deceleration you need from the drag of the wheels in the soft field.


Your practical experience doing this is? What's the length of the field?
Again, *most* of them are short (2500'). And most turf strips are firm
most of the time.

I learned at N38, which was a fairly short (1899' sticks in my mind)
field prior to an upgrade of the airport in the mid 90's. The airport
had trees at one end and a road across the other. The sole runway was
9/27 (it is now 10/28) and had a grass runway beside the asphalt. I
flew everything from 150s to 182s on both the grass and asphalt. There
was no reason to use the brakes when landing on the grass nor was there
a need to use soft field technique, or even short field technique.
Anyone who can't land even a 182 on 1900' of grass runway without brakes
needs to learn better landing technique.

I learned from an instructor who has about 50 years of instructing
experience and more than 50K flight hours. He was written up in the
back of AOPA Pilot several years ago.

What is your practical experience? Are you even a pilot?


Matt

Happy Dog wrote:

Both are irrelevant. You use brakes during a soft field landing unless
conditions, rare conditions, prohibit them

Well, this has been beaten to death. Dog, if you want to risk busting a
nose gear and pranging the prop you keep doin' it your way. All the
reasons for NOT using brakes on a soft field landing (regardless of
field length) have been laid out and you still say we're all wrong.
Okay then...

Are you this obnoxious in person?

Yes. But you wouldn't see it that way. Welcome to Usenet.

Well at least you're honest. I can appreciate that.

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Happy Dog wrote:

Both are irrelevant. You use brakes during a soft field landing unless
conditions, rare conditions, prohibit them

Well, this has been beaten to death. Dog, if you want to risk busting a
nose gear and pranging the prop you keep doin' it your way. All the
reasons for NOT using brakes on a soft field landing (regardless of
field length) have been laid out and you still say we're all wrong.
Okay then...

It has been tossed around and, clearly, my experience and training differs
from some others and my assertion WRT what constitutes a soft field landing
and technique is being rethought. As I said, my training involved quite a
few turf landings and they were to be treated as soft field landings. Holes
was the claimed issue. In most cases, the turf is firm enough to allow
braking during the bit right after TD since there's still plenty of
elevator authority to keep the nose light. But if this isn't even
considered a soft field, then the point is, well, pointless. As I said, I'm
doing my own research.

Are you this obnoxious in person?

Yes. But you wouldn't see it that way. Welcome to Usenet.

Well at least you're honest. I can appreciate that.

Usenet is a place where the id is forever trying to come out and play. But,
it's also a place where it's difficult to be dishonest if you post from an
ISP and archive your posts. Even people who switch sockpuppets usually get
caught and suffer irreparable damage. And, thus far, there seems to be
little to risk from posting whatever opinion one feels. The medium lends
itself to honesty. And, unfortunately, occasional cowardice.

moo