Should you tell Tower you're departing IFR

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"John Clonts" wrote in message
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or should they just know it already?

I was departing Sugarland (KSGR) yesterday, after having gotten my
clearance from ground control.


How much time elapsed between getting your clearance and taxiing for departure?



About 2-3 minutes.


Tower assigned me runway heading (this
was about 45 minutes later as there was MUCH traffic waiting in line
for takeoffs) and handed me off to departure.


Do they normally send VFR aircraft to departure?


Have no idea about that, it's not a familiar airport to me.



I had trouble getting a
word in edgewise, but when I eventually did, departure said "change
squawk to 0044". Later a different controller (but same freq I
believe) asked my if I was VFR???? I told him "Negative, N7NZ is
cleared Industry departure then as filed, currently on 270 vector". He
said, "roger, cleared direct IDU", and the rest of the flight was
uneventful (and unambiguously IFR). This was all in VMC.


How did you come to be on a 270 vector? Sugarland has only a north-south runway and the tower assigned
runway heading. Who then assigned a west heading and for what purpose?


Hmm, yes, I may have that sequence out of order. I was given the new squawk,
and sometime after that I was asked if I was VFR, but I can't remember if I was
given the vector before or after the VFR question.



Later I thought that maybe the tower didn't realize I was IFR when he
cleared me for takeoff, and that fouled something up with departure.


If some time elapsed between issuance of IFR clearance and taxiing for departure ground control may have
forgotten that you were an IFR departure and prepared a new VFR strip for local control. Did you request
taxi right after getting your clearance? If not, did you tell ground you were IFR when you called for taxi?


It was only 2-3 minutes, and I did not tell him I was IFR at taxi time. But it was
45 minutes later when I was finally #1 for departure.


Or, is there another reason I would have immediately been given a new
squawk code like that? I seem to remember that 0xxx squawks are
"local" or something like that. Yet I believe I then kept that same
0044 the entire remaining duration of the flight (through Houston
Center and then Austin Approach to my destination 44TE).


Are you sure the code was 0044? The National Beacon Code Allocation Plan assigns codes 0100-0477 to terminal
operations, it doesn't assign the block 0000-0077 to any purpose (which I find rather odd). Since your
flight was entirely within Houston Center you should have been assigned a code from one of ZHU's internal
departure blocks; 45xx, 46xx, or 47xx.

Yes, I am sure about the 0044, I just checked where I had written it on my clipboard.
The original code I was given by ground control was 4553.

Thanks!
John

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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About 2-3 minutes.


Then the episode appears to be a brain fart on the part of the ground
controller.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"John Clonts" wrote in message
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About 2-3 minutes.


Then the episode appears to be a brain fart on the part of the ground controller.

If so, what was it he did (or didn't do) incorrectly?

Thanks,
John

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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If so, what was it he did (or didn't do) incorrectly?


It appears he forgot that he had just issued you an IFR clearance and
treated you as a VFR departure.