A320 with gear problem over LA

No brakes, huh? What kind of plane are you talking about? Have you done
any on short fields? (As most turf strips are.) If it's swampy enough
to
create enough drag to quickly slow you down well, that's the same as
braking, right? *Think.*

First you said "soft field" (go back and reread your own post) **no
brakes** Now you're saying "short field". Of course you'd use brakes
on a short field. I'm a CFI, this is nothing new to me, I've taught
short/soft field techniques till I puked. And spare me your smartass
comments like "try again" and "think" when you're contradicting
yourself *Genius*

I was simply being sarcastic about the A320 s.
There have been several vertical tail separation incidents.
At the recent runway overrun in Canada only half the slides worked.
There have been over sixty nosewheel incidents.
There was a recent flap incident.

My flying car is coming slower than I would like.

Zoltan

Happy Dog wrote:

Keeping it light is good. Keeping it in the air (as it will be after TD
with full up elevator) is pointless and increases the landing roll. Use the
brakes after TD until the speed gets to the point where elevator authority
is insufficient to hold the nose up or keep it light enough for the
conditions. How much you use then depends on the length of the strip.

Have you ever actually put one down in a plowed or muddy field? You'd better
pray that you actually *can* keep the nose wheel in the air or, at least, keep
it from digging in. Seen the ad in AOPA Pilot for renter's insurance? That's a
guy who didn't do that. NO BRAKES. The ground will do a perfectly good job of that.

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No brakes, huh? What kind of plane are you talking about? Have you
done
any on short fields? (As most turf strips are.) If it's swampy enough
to
create enough drag to quickly slow you down well, that's the same as
braking, right? *Think.*

First you said "soft field" (go back and reread your own post) **no
brakes** Now you're saying "short field". Of course you'd use brakes
on a short field. I'm a CFI, this is nothing new to me, I've taught
short/soft field techniques till I puked.

"Have you done any (soft field landings, the topic of conversation, in case
you forgot or are too dense) on short fields? (As most turf strips are.)"
Is that better now? You, of course, know that most soft fields are short.
And, you don't use short field technique because you want to TD as lightly
as possible and that often requires dragging it in with a bit of power. You
really don't touch the brakes doing this on a 1500' grass strip? Sure.

And spare me your smartass
comments like "try again" and "think" when you're contradicting
yourself *Genius*

It's Usenet. And you've misread my post. Try to get over it.

moo

"George Patterson"

Keeping it light is good. Keeping it in the air (as it will be after TD
with full up elevator) is pointless and increases the landing roll. Use
the brakes after TD until the speed gets to the point where elevator
authority is insufficient to hold the nose up or keep it light enough for
the conditions. How much you use then depends on the length of the
strip.

Have you ever actually put one down in a plowed or muddy field? You'd
better pray that you actually *can* keep the nose wheel in the air or, at
least, keep it from digging in. Seen the ad in AOPA Pilot for renter's
insurance? That's a guy who didn't do that. NO BRAKES. The ground will do
a perfectly good job of that.

The vast majority of soft fields are short turf strips. You need brakes to
stop before the end in most GA planes, right? I say use the brakes until
you have full up elevator and the nose starts to get heavy. There is no
reason to avoid using brakes when doing a soft field landing on firm ground
(as most of them are). And that's what it looks like the A320 pilot was
doing. You will know, within a second of TD, whether the ground is soft
enough to cause braking-like friction on the mains and you will brake
accordingly. 2000' of firm turf says you do.

moo

Happy Dog wrote:
Brakes are used during a soft field landing where the point is to put as little weight as possible on the nose gear. Try again.

Dude - your original assertion (above) was ridiculous. ANY braking will
put more weight on the nose wheel. That's what I was responding to.
Hell, even George P. is backing me up here : )

you don't use short field technique because you want to TD as lightly as possible

Short field technique doesn't necessarily mean a carrier landing-type
touchdown IMHO

You really don't touch the brakes doing this on a 1500' grass strip?

Now you're being more specific. On a familiar grass field, of course.
(I'd never fly into one that short (personal minimums) I fly a T-tail
Lance, definitely not a short/soft field plane. Maybe in a taildragger,
but then I'd never use the brakes (or even need them for that matter)

in case you forgot or are too dense

Are you this obnoxious in person?

I was simply being sarcastic about the A320 s.
There have been several vertical tail separation incidents.
At the recent runway overrun in Canada only half the slides worked.
There have been over sixty nosewheel incidents.
There was a recent flap incident.

I see. My sarcasm detector musta been off : )

Happy Dog wrote:

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Happy Dog wrote:

Brakes are used during a soft field landing where the point is to put as
little weight as possible on the nose gear. Try again.

You have that completely backwards my friend. In a soft field landing
you don't touch the brakes


No brakes, huh? What kind of plane are you talking about? Have you done
any on short fields? (As most turf strips are.) If it's swampy enough to
create enough drag to quickly slow you down well, that's the same as
braking, right? *Think.*

Have you had this reading comprehension problem long? He said soft
field, not short field. And he didn't touch the brakes, he didn't say
the plane wouldn't slow down due to drag from the soft field.

Matt

George Patterson wrote:

Happy Dog wrote:

Brakes are used during a soft field landing where the point is to put
as little weight as possible on the nose gear.


Not the way I was taught. You stay off the brakes to keep the nose light.

Yep and I was taught to begin to feed the power in as you slow towards a
fast taxi speed. I've never landed on a really soft field before to try
the technique for real, but it makes sense.


Matt