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Old September 24th 05, 08:08 AM
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"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Have you flown commercially, of late? Passengers do that (for no apparent
reason) on *every* flight.


Yeah sure, after watching live video for two plus hours of their
airplane's nose wheel cocked 90 degrees, and after landing with said
nose gear cocked, and after being told to "Brace! Brace! Brace!" just
prior to touchdown, and after the incredibly loud noise from said
landing gear grinding away on the runway as the plane slowly rolled to
a stop, the passengers are going to "immediately" stand up, pull their
baggage from the overhead bins, and "clamor" to get off the plane like
it's some routine flight that's just pulled up to the gate. Honeck,
you are clueless moron. Of course, I already knew that from your many
(far too many) prior posts.

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Old September 24th 05, 08:08 AM
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"Happy Dog" wrote:

Then why not add some power? Just kidding. Brakes are used during a soft
field landing where the point is to put as little weight as possible on the
nose gear. Try again.


Idiot. The poster doesn't have to "try again" because he was correct.

I doubt the reversers were used at all, as
that would transfer weight forward and bring the nose down faster.


How so?


Simple physics, idiot.

You and a few other IDIOTS, such as Honeck, who BS incessantly in this
forum day in and day out, would do well to SHUT THE **** UP for a
while because every time you open your idiot pie holes you come off
even dumber than before.

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  #103  
Old September 24th 05, 01:53 PM
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Yeah sure, after watching live video for two plus hours of their
airplane's nose wheel cocked 90 degrees, and after landing with said
nose gear cocked, and after being told to "Brace! Brace! Brace!" just
prior to touchdown, and after the incredibly loud noise from said
landing gear grinding away on the runway as the plane slowly rolled to
a stop, the passengers are going to "immediately" stand up, pull their
baggage from the overhead bins, and "clamor" to get off the plane like
it's some routine flight that's just pulled up to the gate. Honeck,
you are clueless moron. Of course, I already knew that from your many
(far too many) prior posts.


If you don't think those poor people were up and demanding to get off that
plane as soon as it came screeching to a stop, you're nuts.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


  #104  
Old September 24th 05, 02:37 PM
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Happy Dog wrote:

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Brakes are used during a soft field landing where the point is to put as
little weight as possible on the nose gear. Try again.


Dude - your original assertion (above) was ridiculous. ANY braking will
put more weight on the nose wheel. That's what I was responding to.
Hell, even George P. is backing me up here : )



Both are irrelevant. You use brakes during a soft field landing unless
conditions, rare conditions, prohibit them.


Just the opposite. You don't use the brakes during a soft field landing
unless rare conditions require them. You typically will have all of the
deceleration you need from the drag of the wheels in the soft field.
You should do some research before making yourself look so foolish in
public. It is easy to Google "soft field landing" and find lots of
useful information.

Matt
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Old September 24th 05, 02:40 PM
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Happy Dog wrote:

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The vast majority of soft fields are short turf strips. You need brakes
to stop before the end in most GA planes, right? I say use the brakes
until you have full up elevator and the nose starts to get heavy. There
is no reason to avoid using brakes when doing a soft field landing on
firm ground (as most of them are). And that's what it looks like the
A320 pilot was doing. You will know, within a second of TD, whether the
ground is soft enough to cause braking-like friction on the mains and you
will brake accordingly. 2000' of firm turf says you do.


A turf field isn't always a soft field. A soft field is a description of
the condition of the runway at a particular time, not a description as to
whether it is a turf runway or something else. Most turn runways are only
soft fields after a very lengthy rain or during the spring when the spring
thaw is occurring in areas where the frost goes more than a couple inches
deep. You don't use the brakes when landing on a soft field. You can use
them on a turf field, but you may or may not need to.



Turf field landings are soft field landings. Don't forget about gopher
holes. You were taught that a turf field landing is not a soft field
landing?


Yes, I was taught to make normal full-stall landings on the grass at the
field where I learned to fly. N38 at that time had both asphalt and
grass and we used the grass most of the time as the airport owner,
instructor, A&P and DE didn't want to wear his tires out any faster than
necessary. If the field was dry and the grass properly mowed, there was
absolutely no reason to use soft-field technique on the grass.

Have you ever flown a real airplane? No, computer simulators don't count.


Matt
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Old September 24th 05, 02:41 PM
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Happy Dog wrote:

"Matt Whiting"

Happy Dog wrote:


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Happy Dog wrote:


Brakes are used during a soft field landing where the point is to put
as little weight as possible on the nose gear. Try again.

You have that completely backwards my friend. In a soft field landing
you don't touch the brakes


No brakes, huh? What kind of plane are you talking about? Have you done
any on short fields? (As most turf strips are.) If it's swampy enough
to create enough drag to quickly slow you down well, that's the same as
braking, right? *Think.*


Have you had this reading comprehension problem long? He said soft field,
not short field. And he didn't touch the brakes, he didn't say the plane
wouldn't slow down due to drag from the soft field.



And I didn't say "short field landing". I pointed out that most soft field
landing are made on short fields. (And short field technique isn't
appropriate.) If you interpreted my post some other way, then you have the
comprehension problem.


So rain and snow only fall on short runways? Wow, I never know that before.


Matt
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Old September 24th 05, 02:41 PM
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Happy Dog wrote:

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Happy Dog wrote:


The vast majority of soft fields are short turf strips. You need brakes
to stop before the end in most GA planes, right?


That doesn't make using the brakes a soft field technique. It is a short
field technique.



Oh please. It's part of almost every landing technique.


The key word is almost and the exception is soft field landings where
the use of the brakes is almost never necessary and almost always harmful.


Matt
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Old September 24th 05, 02:43 PM
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Insert Your Name Here wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote:


Have you flown commercially, of late? Passengers do that (for no apparent
reason) on *every* flight.



Yeah sure, after watching live video for two plus hours of their
airplane's nose wheel cocked 90 degrees, and after landing with said
nose gear cocked, and after being told to "Brace! Brace! Brace!" just
prior to touchdown, and after the incredibly loud noise from said
landing gear grinding away on the runway as the plane slowly rolled to
a stop, the passengers are going to "immediately" stand up, pull their
baggage from the overhead bins, and "clamor" to get off the plane like
it's some routine flight that's just pulled up to the gate. Honeck,
you are clueless moron. Of course, I already knew that from your many
(far too many) prior posts.

- -- IYNH -- -


At least he isn't a coward who is afraid to use his/her real name.

Matt
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Old September 24th 05, 03:09 PM
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Happy Dog wrote:



Turf field landings are soft field landings.


Only if you've never been there before.

Don't forget about gopher
holes. You were taught that a turf field landing is not a soft field
landing?


It might be. I know of about 50 grass strips here in my local area.
Landed on all of them. Unless they are wet because of a recent rain
then they aren't soft fields. There's no gopher holes. On landing I
brake as necessary for runway length or other operational concern. On
takeoff I will get the nose light, but not off the ground, so the strut
doesn't hammer up and down on the rough ones
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Old September 24th 05, 03:16 PM
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you are clueless moron. Of course, I already knew that from your many
(far too many) prior posts.

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If you're only going to post here to berate everyone and do it anonymously,
don't post.

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