Should you tell Tower you're departing IFR

Newps wrote:

But I suspect that it does help, in that it would be the odd IFR pilot
who could depart w/o a squawk.Â*Â*IfÂ*theÂ*towerÂ*clearedÂ*meÂ*forÂ*t/oÂ*w/o
givingÂ*meÂ*a squawk, I'd ask.Â*Â*ThisÂ*forcesÂ*theÂ*particularÂ*operatorÂ*t oÂ*know
thatÂ*it'sÂ*an IFR departure.

No?

Not having a transponder code doesn't mean you aren't IFR.Â*Â*

Of course not.

It'sÂ*simply
a gimmick by the tower to try and prevent an operational error.

I'm not likely to forget I'm IFR, even of the tower operator does (or hasn't
been informed, perhaps). I'm also not likely to take off IFR w/o a squawk.

What tower is apparently avoiding is an operation error, yes. They're doing
so by using my reluctance to depart IFR w/o a squawk. By forcing me to ask
for a squawk if it's not given, they're effectively having me remind the
tower operator that I'm IFR in the case where he or she has forgotten.

At least, that's my understanding of how this "gimmick" is working. It
doesn't make sense?

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon wrote:
Newps wrote:


But I suspect that it does help, in that it would be the odd IFR pilot
who could depart w/o a squawk. If the tower cleared me for t/o w/o
giving me a squawk, I'd ask. This forces the particular operator to know
that it's an IFR departure.

No?

Not having a transponder code doesn't mean you aren't IFR.


Of course not.


It's simply
a gimmick by the tower to try and prevent an operational error.


I'm not likely to forget I'm IFR, even of the tower operator does (or hasn't
been informed, perhaps). I'm also not likely to take off IFR w/o a squawk.

Nobody's worried about you forgetting you're IFR, all this is about a
VFR tower launching an IFR aircraft into the system and the pilot is the
only one who knows he's IFR. That's bad.

Newps wrote:

I'm also not likely to take off IFR w/o a
squawk.

Nobody's worried about you forgetting you're IFR, all this is about a
VFR tower launching an IFR aircraft into the system and the pilot is the
only one who knows he's IFR. That's bad.

Right. And in another part of my note, I wrote that the tower is attempting
to avoid this by exploiting the low probability of the pilot either
forgetting he/she is IFR or departing w/o a squawk.

- Andrew

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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I'm not likely to forget I'm IFR, even of the tower operator does (or
hasn't
been informed, perhaps). I'm also not likely to take off IFR w/o a
squawk.

What tower is apparently avoiding is an operation error, yes. They're
doing
so by using my reluctance to depart IFR w/o a squawk. By forcing me to
ask
for a squawk if it's not given, they're effectively having me remind the
tower operator that I'm IFR in the case where he or she has forgotten.

At least, that's my understanding of how this "gimmick" is working. It
doesn't make sense?


Only if all IFR pilots refuse to launch without a discrete beacon code. Not
all will do that.