HOUSE BILL COULD KILL FLIGHT SERVICE STATION MODERNIZATION

Why should weight matter? It doesn't make any difference in the cost to
provide the service.

Mike
MU-2


".Blueskies." wrote in message
...
Fees for aircraft registration should be increased to help offest some of
the costs of the system. It should be based on max takeoff weight.

I like the comments about giving away a GPS with all the info systems
built in. The next question however is who loads the information to start
with? Who put up and maintains the satellites? Who summarizes the wx
details? Who takes the flight plan and closes it?

It more closely indicates the numbers of users of 'the system' or more closely indicates the benefit received.
Absolutely no way a J-3 should pay anything near what a 747 pays, not even 1/1000th the amount...


"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message nk.net...
Why should weight matter? It doesn't make any difference in the cost to provide the service.

Mike
MU-2


".Blueskies." wrote in message ...
Fees for aircraft registration should be increased to help offest some of the costs of the system. It should be based
on max takeoff weight.

I like the comments about giving away a GPS with all the info systems built in. The next question however is who
loads the information to start with? Who put up and maintains the satellites? Who summarizes the wx details? Who
takes the flight plan and closes it?

..Blueskies. wrote:
It more closely indicates the numbers of users of 'the system' or more closely indicates the benefit received.
Absolutely no way a J-3 should pay anything near what a 747 pays, not even 1/1000th the amount...

Well, the current system already does that pretty well and the cost of
collection is a lot less than any other method anyone has managed to think of.
Maybe we ought to stick with it?

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

George Patterson wrote:
.Blueskies. wrote:
It more closely indicates the numbers of users of 'the system' or more closely indicates the benefit received.
Absolutely no way a J-3 should pay anything near what a 747 pays, not even 1/1000th the amount...

Well, the current system already does that pretty well and the cost of
collection is a lot less than any other method anyone has managed to think of.
Maybe we ought to stick with it?


IIRC there are about $740m in taxes collected on aviation fuels
annually, of which $60m are 100LL. I think it's arguable whether that
actually covers the cost of services we consume, but we're certainly
not subsidizing other parts of the system.

As for collections, it's arguable whether a fuel tax is more
"efficient" to collect than a user fee. Fuel taxes have to be collected
from many thousands of fuel sellers. A usage fee could be computed
based on flight plans, and there are what, 5 primary computers that
process those? We have tail numbers and addresses already so sending
the bill doesn't require that much. It's so simple even Lockmar could
figure out how to do it.

The Cub-vs-747 debate is missing another detail which is traffic
management. An enroute airspace block at FL350 is worth a lot more than
one at 7000'. Piston GA also tends to use reliever and tertiary fields
with comparatively low traffic loads. So there is a sense in which the
747 places a higher burden on the system. However, much of this
argument disappears when we consider the VLJs like the Eclipse. They're
the ones that really need to worry about a cost-based accounting. That
alone could kill the personal air-taxi system, perhaps rightly so.

-cwk.

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George Patterson wrote:
.Blueskies. wrote:
It more closely indicates the numbers of users of 'the system' or more closely indicates the benefit received.
Absolutely no way a J-3 should pay anything near what a 747 pays, not even 1/1000th the amount...

Well, the current system already does that pretty well and the cost of
collection is a lot less than any other method anyone has managed to think of.
Maybe we ought to stick with it?


IIRC there are about $740m in taxes collected on aviation fuels
annually, of which $60m are 100LL. I think it's arguable whether that
actually covers the cost of services we consume, but we're certainly
not subsidizing other parts of the system.

As for collections, it's arguable whether a fuel tax is more
"efficient" to collect than a user fee. Fuel taxes have to be collected
from many thousands of fuel sellers. A usage fee could be computed
based on flight plans, and there are what, 5 primary computers that
process those? We have tail numbers and addresses already so sending
the bill doesn't require that much. It's so simple even Lockmar could
figure out how to do it.

The Cub-vs-747 debate is missing another detail which is traffic
management. An enroute airspace block at FL350 is worth a lot more than
one at 7000'. Piston GA also tends to use reliever and tertiary fields
with comparatively low traffic loads. So there is a sense in which the
747 places a higher burden on the system. However, much of this
argument disappears when we consider the VLJs like the Eclipse. They're
the ones that really need to worry about a cost-based accounting. That
alone could kill the personal air-taxi system, perhaps rightly so.

-cwk.


User fees for flight plans and briefings will make GA less safe. A typical pilot may choose to not file a flight plan
because of the cost and go it without a briefing. We all know where that can lead.

The fuel tax is a good system that should be kept. It is a well thought out funding mechanism. The way it feeds the
airway trust fund is right on. One of the keys is to keep the trust fund clean and don't let the rest of gov't get their
hands on it. It should be kept separate from any DHS grabs.

Maybe the aircraft registration fees need to be based on two things, maybe more. MGTOW plus a calculation for speed, and
maybe service ceiling too.