Light weight Euro-diesels

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It got me to poking around on some european website. I found the specs
for the ford 1.4 litre diesel sold over there. Not sure how the
figures size up to gas engines currently in use. Any Opinions?

These engines are "Light weight" only for automotive use.
The 1l4 is a Peugeot design, you may choose a 1l6 (DV6 TED4) with the
same weigt and power up to 110HP@4000rpm.

http://minilien.com/?krjU8zHgIx


I am not sure, but I read "around" 100kg for the engine. You still kneed
a PSRU.
I think you may have a 110HP engine for 120-130kg minimum. It is still
heavier than mogas engine.


Just for fun: with this type of engine, you may got 50mpg on car like
Toyota Corolla.

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Philippe Vessaire Ò¿Ó¬

Just a point. On one 700 mile trip in my VW Jetta TDI, holding the speed to
between 55 and 60mph, I got 55mpg. Normal use is 45mpg or better.

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Kathy Fields
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"Philippe Vessaire" wrote in message
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It got me to poking around on some european website. I found the specs
for the ford 1.4 litre diesel sold over there. Not sure how the
figures size up to gas engines currently in use. Any Opinions?

These engines are "Light weight" only for automotive use.
The 1l4 is a Peugeot design, you may choose a 1l6 (DV6 TED4) with the
same weigt and power up to 110HP@4000rpm.

http://minilien.com/?krjU8zHgIx


I am not sure, but I read "around" 100kg for the engine. You still kneed
a PSRU.
I think you may have a 110HP engine for 120-130kg minimum. It is still
heavier than mogas engine.


Just for fun: with this type of engine, you may got 50mpg on car like
Toyota Corolla.

By
--
Pub: http://www.slowfood.fr/france
Philippe Vessaire Ò¿Ó¬

Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote:

Just a point. On one 700 mile trip in my VW Jetta TDI, holding the speed
to
between 55 and 60mph, I got 55mpg. Normal use is 45mpg or better.

just googlise that:
diesel "2CDDI-II"
and you will see that
http://www.daihatsu.com/motorshow/frankfurt05/pdf/e.pdf

The most désirable diesel for light aircraft may be hide in the 2CDDI-II
name.
Just wait more news about weight.


By.
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Pub: http://www.slowfood.fr/france
Philippe Vessaire Ò¿Ó¬

Here is the VW tdi as an industrial engine.

Given the application I would expect there is a big honkin flywheel on
this thing that would be removed for aviation purposes. Then after
replacing the the alternator etc etc. It would still be heavy, but
potentially doable.

http://www.maesco.com/products/vwp/v...dieselpto.html

Anyway, it's something interesting to look at.

-Matt

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Here is the VW tdi as an industrial engine.

Given the application I would expect there is a big honkin flywheel on
this thing that would be removed for aviation purposes. Then after
replacing the the alternator etc etc. It would still be heavy, but
potentially doable.

I would wonder about the potentially doable part. It is nearly 300 lbs, and
only 78 HP. Even if you could get 100 lbs off of it, (doubtful) that would
still be 200 lbs, for less than 80 HP. That is bad in anybody's book.
--
Jim in NC

If I had said "spectacular" I would understand your beef.

Here are the respective weights of a few engines for comparison.

Engine HP Weight(lbs) Comments
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Continental A-65 65 173
Limbach L 1800 66 154
Limbach L 1700 66 161
Rotax 618 74 136 Includes 20 lbs radiator, etc.
Great Plains VW 2180CC 75 165
Franklin 225 75 230
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"doable". It wouldn't be efficient. But it would fly. If one fiddled
with the wastegate or injection computer they could probably get more
power. The guys with the powerstrokes are doing some crazy things these
days and some of that tech would probably carry over to the TDI.

What do you fly by the way Jim?

Can i get an "s" ?

-Matt

Maybe some of these will help. Seem to be working well in the cars.

http://dieseltuning.ca/
http://www.upsolute.com/eng/index.html

Some talk about the rocket chip:

http://www.upsolute.com/eng/index.html

Some controls can be programed with this:

http://www.ross-tech.com/


David Ervin


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oups.com...
Here is the VW tdi as an industrial engine.

Given the application I would expect there is a big honkin flywheel on
this thing that would be removed for aviation purposes. Then after
replacing the the alternator etc etc. It would still be heavy, but
potentially doable.

http://www.maesco.com/products/vwp/v...dieselpto.html

Anyway, it's something interesting to look at.

-Matt