Flight Level and a half

No, like Steven said, it is an IFR operation.

Mike
MU-2


"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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It isn't a VFR op.


VFR on top is not a VFR op?



"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Newps" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:


Well knock me over with a feather!!

Above 18,000 feet, where the separation is 1000 feet

The separation is a minimum of 1000 feet, no reason I can't just give
you more airspace.

So where in the FAR' is there authorization for VFR ops above FL180?


and AFAIK, VFR
operations are definitely NOT allowed? The example given was 33,500
feet...RVSM air space.

You won't be given an OTP clearance but then at 330 you wouldn't need
that since you're hard pressed to find many clouds up there that aren't
already thunderstorms.

So you're saying one could operate VFR at FL330?


--
Matt

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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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No, like Steven said, it is an IFR operation.


Well, Newps and a couple others have been saying that VFR on top at 33,500
feet was legit. (or at least they snipped the original statement).


I agree with you that and hold that anything over 18,000 feet is strictly a
IFR operation and conducted in 1000 foot increments (also that if someone is
at a 500 foot intermediate level they are only passing through that
altitude, not cruising.


"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...
It isn't a VFR op.


VFR on top is not a VFR op?



"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...

"Newps" wrote in message
...


Matt Barrow wrote:


Well knock me over with a feather!!

Above 18,000 feet, where the separation is 1000 feet

The separation is a minimum of 1000 feet, no reason I can't just give
you more airspace.

So where in the FAR' is there authorization for VFR ops above FL180?


and AFAIK, VFR
operations are definitely NOT allowed? The example given was 33,500
feet...RVSM air space.

You won't be given an OTP clearance but then at 330 you wouldn't need
that since you're hard pressed to find many clouds up there that
aren't already thunderstorms.

So you're saying one could operate VFR at FL330?


--
Matt

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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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I agree with you that and hold that anything over 18,000 feet is strictly
a IFR operation and conducted in 1000 foot increments (also that if
someone is at a 500 foot intermediate level they are only passing through
that altitude, not cruising.


Well, anything over 18,000 feet is NOT strictly an IFR operation.

"VFR on top" is an IFR operation requiring a clearance and the adherence to
both IFR and VFR rules at the VFR XX,500' altitudes..

http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/PCG/V.HTM



Mike
MU-2

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
nk.net...
No, like Steven said, it is an IFR operation.


Well, Newps and a couple others have been saying that VFR on top at 33,500
feet was legit. (or at least they snipped the original statement).


I agree with you that and hold that anything over 18,000 feet is strictly
a IFR operation and conducted in 1000 foot increments (also that if
someone is at a 500 foot intermediate level they are only passing through
that altitude, not cruising.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...
"VFR on top" is an IFR operation requiring a clearance and the adherence
to both IFR and VFR rules at the VFR XX,500' altitudes..

http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/PCG/V.HTM



"ATC authorization for an IFR aircraft to operate in VFR conditions at any
appropriate VFR altitude.."

Yes, but the point I was making (from the original) was that VFR-OT would be
conduced in Class A.

Class A, AIUI, contains NO "appropriate VFR altitudes".

The first point I disputed, and the one that many responders seemed to have
missed, was claiming VFR-OT at 33,500 feet.

Below Class A, I'm sure we've all done VFR-OT.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...

"ATC authorization for an IFR aircraft to operate in VFR conditions at any
appropriate VFR altitude.."

Yes, but the point I was making (from the original) was that VFR-OT would
be conduced in Class A.

Class A, AIUI, contains NO "appropriate VFR altitudes".

The first point I disputed, and the one that many responders seemed to
have missed, was claiming VFR-OT at 33,500 feet.

Below Class A, I'm sure we've all done VFR-OT.

Is all airspace at 33,500 feet Class A?

Matt Barrow wrote:

I agree with you that and hold that anything over 18,000 feet is strictly a
IFR operation and conducted in 1000 foot increments (also that if someone is
at a 500 foot intermediate level they are only passing through that
altitude, not cruising.

Ok, then please 'splain my glider operations?

NO IFR pilot on board, glider not IFR certified, no transponder,
VFR pilot on board, unable to hold altitude.

I assert this is a legal operation... VFR, above FL180.


Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocation!" Eberhard

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