Flight Level and a half

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...
There isn't any. The FARs tend to prohibit things, not authorize them.
So where in the FARs is there prohibition of VFR ops above FL180?



So you're saying one could operate VFR at FL330?


Sure, as long as you're not in Class A airspace.

Other than the special exception listed of Glider ops in a blocked off
region, where is there airspace that is NOT Class A at FL330? The glider ops
at altitudes over FL180 is still Class A, but given special handling. I
seriously doubt they are mixing jets and gliders at those altitudes WITHIN
those areas.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...
Actually VFR glider operations are frequently authorized above 18K' (in
class A). Near Minden, NV, ATC simply opens up blocks of airspace
allowing gliders to soar in mountain waves.


Quite. It's still Class A, but an area receiving special handling (or
sumthin to that effect), correct?

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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I agree with you that and hold that anything over 18,000 feet is strictly
a IFR operation and conducted in 1000 foot increments (also that if
someone is at a 500 foot intermediate level they are only passing through
that altitude, not cruising.


Well, anything over 18,000 feet is NOT strictly an IFR operation.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...

Other than the special exception listed of Glider ops in a blocked off
region, where is there airspace that is NOT Class A at FL330?

Hawaii, the Alaska Peninsula west of longitude 160° 00' 00" West, the
California islands Santa Barbara and Farallon, and the Florida keys south of
latitude 25° 04' 00" North.

"VFR on top" is an IFR operation requiring a clearance and the adherence to
both IFR and VFR rules at the VFR XX,500' altitudes..

http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/PCG/V.HTM



Mike
MU-2

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
nk.net...
No, like Steven said, it is an IFR operation.


Well, Newps and a couple others have been saying that VFR on top at 33,500
feet was legit. (or at least they snipped the original statement).


I agree with you that and hold that anything over 18,000 feet is strictly
a IFR operation and conducted in 1000 foot increments (also that if
someone is at a 500 foot intermediate level they are only passing through
that altitude, not cruising.

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:50:51 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...

Other than the special exception listed of Glider ops in a blocked off
region, where is there airspace that is NOT Class A at FL330?

Hawaii, the Alaska Peninsula west of longitude 160° 00' 00" West, the
California islands Santa Barbara and Farallon, and the Florida keys south of
latitude 25° 04' 00" North.

Finally. Wish this was posted at the BEGINNING of the thread :-)

"S Herman" wrote in message
...

Finally. Wish this was posted at the BEGINNING of the thread :-)


It was posted in this thread 2 1/2 days ago.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...
"VFR on top" is an IFR operation requiring a clearance and the adherence
to both IFR and VFR rules at the VFR XX,500' altitudes..

http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/PCG/V.HTM



"ATC authorization for an IFR aircraft to operate in VFR conditions at any
appropriate VFR altitude.."

Yes, but the point I was making (from the original) was that VFR-OT would be
conduced in Class A.

Class A, AIUI, contains NO "appropriate VFR altitudes".

The first point I disputed, and the one that many responders seemed to have
missed, was claiming VFR-OT at 33,500 feet.

Below Class A, I'm sure we've all done VFR-OT.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...

"ATC authorization for an IFR aircraft to operate in VFR conditions at any
appropriate VFR altitude.."

Yes, but the point I was making (from the original) was that VFR-OT would
be conduced in Class A.

Class A, AIUI, contains NO "appropriate VFR altitudes".

The first point I disputed, and the one that many responders seemed to
have missed, was claiming VFR-OT at 33,500 feet.

Below Class A, I'm sure we've all done VFR-OT.

Is all airspace at 33,500 feet Class A?

Matt Barrow wrote:

I agree with you that and hold that anything over 18,000 feet is strictly a
IFR operation and conducted in 1000 foot increments (also that if someone is
at a 500 foot intermediate level they are only passing through that
altitude, not cruising.

Ok, then please 'splain my glider operations?

NO IFR pilot on board, glider not IFR certified, no transponder,
VFR pilot on board, unable to hold altitude.

I assert this is a legal operation... VFR, above FL180.


Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocation!" Eberhard

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