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My response was based on what looked like John T's belief that there was
no obligation to provide benefits promised.

No, that wasn't my point at all. My question remains: Why does an employer
have an *obligation* to provide benefits?

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In article ,
"John T" wrote:

No, that wasn't my point at all. My question remains: Why does an employer
have an *obligation* to provide benefits?

do you mean benefits other than those required by state and/or federal law?

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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article ,
"John T" wrote:

No, that wasn't my point at all. My question remains: Why does an
employer
have an *obligation* to provide benefits?

do you mean benefits other than those required by state and/or federal
law?



In addition to Bob's question can I add... do you mean other than those that
the employer promised to provide at the time of hire?

Bob Noel wrote:

do you mean benefits other than those required by state and/or
federal law?

My question stands. State law varies, obviously, but what benefits does the
federal government require of employers?

As for promises: If it's not in writing, it's worth about as much as the
lint in my pocket. I agree it reflects very badly on the company and should
be advertised so other potential employees know what kind of company it is.

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John T wrote:

As for promises: If it's not in writing, it's worth about as much as the
lint in my pocket.

Most of the benefits discussed in this thread are put in writing repeatedly by
an employer. I used to get statements detailing my pension at least once a year.

The problem is that *those* promises are worth little more than the paper
they're written on. When a corporation gets to the point where the chief
executives feels that their only choice is violation of the law or going out of
business, they will usually violate the law. If they can manage to avoid that by
bankruptcy, they will usually declare bankruptcy. Either way, their promises are
history.

George Patterson
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use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

In article ,
"John T" wrote:

do you mean benefits other than those required by state and/or
federal law?

My question stands. State law varies, obviously, but what benefits does the
federal government require of employers?

Would you consider the Family Medical Leave Act (or some such name) a
benefit?

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Bob Noel wrote:

My question stands. State law varies, obviously, but what benefits
does the federal government require of employers?

Would you consider the Family Medical Leave Act (or some such name) a
benefit?

For limited numbers of employees. Even then it only guarantees unpaid leave
and has nothing to do with retirement plans (the genesis of this thread).

Got any other benefits the Feds require of employers?

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In article ,
"John T" wrote:

Would you consider the Family Medical Leave Act (or some such name) a
benefit?

For limited numbers of employees.

huh? it only applies to limited number of employees? I don't think
we are talking about the same thing.

Even then it only guarantees unpaid leave

among other things.

and has nothing to do with retirement plans (the genesis of this thread).

so what? you asked: "what benefits does the federal government require
of employers?"

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"Bob Noel" wrote in message


For limited numbers of employees.

huh? it only applies to limited number of employees? I don't think
we are talking about the same thing.

If you're talking about the US, then yes, we are. Read the law. Here's a
starting point:
http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/fmla/

so what? you asked: "what benefits does the federal government
require of employers?"

And that's a good start. You implied there were others. Does the federal
government require employers to provide any other benefits besides unpaid
time off? (When I think of "benefit", I'm usually thinking of something
that is of more value than not getting paid. Something like "free" medical
coverage or matching retirement contributions - like the retirement plan
that started this thread.)

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