Ethanol Mandate for Iowa?

Dave Stadt opined

"Jay Masino" wrote in message
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You're correct, but that doesn't negate the fact that there's only a
certain amount of oil in the ground, and it's not gonna last forever.
It's hard to argue with the concept of growing some corn or soybeans and
making fuel from it. Even if it's not the complete answer, it still
starts the ball rolling towards weening ourselves from fossile fuels.

Your last atatement is not true, it actually increases slightly our
dependence on fossil fuels. It is very easy to argue that growing corn for
fuel makes no sense, in fact if all the facts are looked at it isn't even an
argument.

That's not qite true. We could use coal, nuclear or other non-oil sources of
energy to make the fertilizer and distill the ethanol. Then we would save oil.

Of course coal has global warming problems, new nukes are out at the moment
and windmills have a problem with the ESA.

Gasahol is a baroque wqy to liquify coal.





-ash
Cthulhu in 2005!
Why wait for nature?

That's not qite true. We could use coal, nuclear or other non-oil sources of
energy to make the fertilizer and distill the ethanol. Then we would save oil.

Would you care to expand on how we can economically make "fertilizer" from fuel? Are you refering to ammonia?



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I believe that fertilizer plants start with natural gas as the primary
feedstock.

Mike
MU-2
"JJS" jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net wrote in message
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That's not qite true. We could use coal, nuclear or other non-oil sources
of
energy to make the fertilizer and distill the ethanol. Then we would save
oil.

Would you care to expand on how we can economically make "fertilizer" from
fuel? Are you refering to ammonia?



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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message k.net...
I believe that fertilizer plants start with natural gas as the primary feedstock.

Mike
MU-2

You are correct (in most cases) if we limit the discussion to nitrogen fertilizers. There are exceptions. Some
non-nitrogen fertilizers such as phosphorus are mined. There is an ammonia plant in Kansas using coke from a
refinery. I'm not certain if it is used as the fuel for the reformer or as feedstock for the synthesis gas stream.



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