FAA 2nd class medical

On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 02:06:43 -0700, Sylvain wrote:

Actually, if your student is already rated and current, i.e.,
can act as PIC, you do not even need a medical certificate
at all -- see 14 CFR 61.3(c)(2)(viii).

The CFI would still need to have a medical certificate if the "rated and
current" PIC student is "under the hood" (14 CFR 91.109(b). In that case,
the required safety pilot is a required flight crew member and the
exception in 14 CFR 61.3(c)(2)(viii) would not apply.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
Actually, if your student is already rated and current, i.e.,
can act as PIC, you do not even need a medical certificate
at all -- see 14 CFR 61.3(c)(2)(viii).
The CFI would still need to have a medical certificate if the "rated and
current" PIC student is "under the hood" (14 CFR 91.109(b). In that case,
the required safety pilot is a required flight crew member and the
exception in 14 CFR 61.3(c)(2)(viii) would not apply.

Indeed. However, the required safety pilot need not be the CFI,
and you could still teach a student under the hood -- legally
and without a medical, with a properly rated safety pilot on
the right seat (in which case you have three people on board
who can log PIC time simultaneously! :-)

--Sylvain

On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:58:43 -0700, Sylvain wrote:

Indeed. However, the required safety pilot need not be the CFI,
and you could still teach a student under the hood -- legally
and without a medical, with a properly rated safety pilot on
the right seat (in which case you have three people on board
who can log PIC time simultaneously! :-)

I agree. I wonder if anyone has ever done that (including having all three
log PIC), and then presented that to the FAA gg


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:58:43 -0700, Sylvain wrote:


Indeed. However, the required safety pilot need not be the CFI,
and you could still teach a student under the hood -- legally
and without a medical, with a properly rated safety pilot on
the right seat (in which case you have three people on board
who can log PIC time simultaneously! :-)


I agree. I wonder if anyone has ever done that (including having all three
log PIC), and then presented that to the FAA gg


One problem would be that the rules imply that the CFI and the safety
pilot both be positioned at the appropriate dual controls...

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:49:48 -0400, Ron Natalie wrote:

One problem would be that the rules imply that the CFI and the safety
pilot both be positioned at the appropriate dual con

Aha! Not being an instructor, I did not realize that the CFI, in order to
log PIC time, would have to be positioned at a control station.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Ron Natalie wrote:
Indeed. However, the required safety pilot need not be the CFI,
and you could still teach a student under the hood -- legally
and without a medical, with a properly rated safety pilot on
the right seat (in which case you have three people on board
who can log PIC time simultaneously! :-)

One problem would be that the rules imply that the CFI and the safety
pilot both be positioned at the appropriate dual controls...

which rule? there is no rule that says the CFI needs to have
his/her own set of controls explicitely. Part 61.167(b)(4) which
does indeed say something like that explicitely only concerns
ATPs providing instructions, not CFIs -- now you could argue that
my proposition goes against 61.195(g)(2) but then I would argue
back that this clause concerns training for a pilot certificate or
rating and thus would not concern recurrent training of an already
rated pilot; now you could re-argue that 91.109 does mention
dual controls but then I would object that it does not say that
the CFI has to be seating at the second set of controls.

Now you could probably say rightfully that I am spending way too
much time reading the regulations and splitting hair, but I am
trying to prepare for an upcoming checkride :-))

--Sylvain