cirrus aircraft

In article 7tV_e.6370$tX3.1051@trndny06,
George Patterson wrote:
No doubt that as automation increases, piloting skills required
decrease. That may contribute to greater safety if adequate redundancy
is employed, but it also takes a certain charm out of flying an airplane.

Then increased automation should allow pilots to safely fly aircraft which
would
otherwise be very challenging; faster, less stable, etc.. That might restore
a
certain amount of charm.


That may be true of larger, faster airplanes, but is not true in the
case of the Cirrus. Even the SR22 isn't any faster than other light
aircraft that possess more stable flying characteristics.

I don't know what would be charming or exciting about sitting around
while the AP flies the airplane. I would be happy to have AP assistance
during the mundane parts of cruise and approach, but having to rely on
the AP to keep the airplane in stable flight is something that I can't
honestly say that I would like.

I'm trying to figure out why anyone would buy a Cirrus. I know people
who own them, but don't know why they were chosen over other aircraft
(even when compared with the Columbias).


JKG

Jonathan,

Even the SR22 isn't any faster than other light
aircraft that possess more stable flying characteristics.


more stable? How and where did you get the idea that the SR22is not?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Jonathan,

Even the SR22 isn't any faster than other light
aircraft that possess more stable flying characteristics.


more stable? How and where did you get the idea that the SR22is not?

Back two or three days ago, in this thread. The observation came from one
or two Cirrus drivers.
--
Jim in NC

Even the SR22 isn't any faster than other light
aircraft that possess more stable flying characteristics.


more stable? How and where did you get the idea that the SR22is not?

Back two or three days ago, in this thread. The observation came from one
or two Cirrus drivers.

Wasn't me. Mine's quite stable.

KR

In article ,
Ken Reed wrote:

Even the SR22 isn't any faster than other light
aircraft that possess more stable flying characteristics.


more stable? How and where did you get the idea that the SR22is not?

Back two or three days ago, in this thread. The observation came from one
or two Cirrus drivers.

Wasn't me. Mine's quite stable.

I think it was me, and I never said it wasn't stable, just that it's
hard to adjust the pitch trim for level flight at high speed because
it's electric. That's very different from "unstable".

rg

On 2005-10-01, Ron Garret wrote:
I think it was me, and I never said it wasn't stable, just that it's
hard to adjust the pitch trim for level flight at high speed because
it's electric. That's very different from "unstable".

Seems to be true with all electric trimmers. I usually find myself
giving up and using the manual trim wheel (if available). It's not
particlarly bothersome in most electric-trim-only planes though.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
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"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

In article ,
Dylan Smith wrote:

On 2005-10-01, Ron Garret wrote:
I think it was me, and I never said it wasn't stable, just that it's
hard to adjust the pitch trim for level flight at high speed because
it's electric. That's very different from "unstable".

Seems to be true with all electric trimmers.

Yes, this problem is not unique to the Cirrus.

I usually find myself
giving up and using the manual trim wheel (if available). It's not
particlarly bothersome in most electric-trim-only planes though.

It's not particularly bothersome in the Cirrus either because the
autopilot is standard equipment :-)

rg

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:55:40 -0000, Dylan Smith
wrote:

On 2005-10-01, Ron Garret wrote:
I think it was me, and I never said it wasn't stable, just that it's
hard to adjust the pitch trim for level flight at high speed because
it's electric. That's very different from "unstable".

Seems to be true with all electric trimmers. I usually find myself

You should fly one of the early Debonairs. A quarter inch of trim
wheel movement will either push you down into the seat or lift you
right out of it. the fixed that after about 60 or so planes were
built, but that mechanical trim is very coarse.

giving up and using the manual trim wheel (if available). It's not
particlarly bothersome in most electric-trim-only planes though.

On our old Cherokee it was far easier to adjust and hold trim with the
button than the wheel.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 04:25:12 GMT, Ken Reed wrote:

Even the SR22 isn't any faster than other light
aircraft that possess more stable flying characteristics.


more stable? How and where did you get the idea that the SR22is not?

Back two or three days ago, in this thread. The observation came from one
or two Cirrus drivers.

Wasn't me. Mine's quite stable.


Stable is a relative term. It depends on what you have been flying.
Typically, Fast and stable used to describe the same airplane is an
oxymoron. Even with that big wing and light wing loading the Bo is
near neutral in stability. (Mine has a slightly lighter loading than a
Cherokee, but that hummer is slippery)

Put a 172 or Cherokee pilot into a Cirrus or Bonanza and see how well
they do at holding altitude. Take all three and trim them for level
flight. Push the yoke down and then let go. How long does it take to
stabilize? The Cherokee and 172 will bob the nose up and down a few
times and in short order will be flying as if nothing happened. The
Bo will do a slow oscillation and take its time about coming back "if
it does". We have a husband and wife flying an SR-22 who say the
same about theirs. They purchased a new one just over a year ago, put
700 hours on that thing and have already traded it in for a new one.
I'd say they are "experienced" pilots.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
KR
Roger