Why can't the French dump fuel?

Why is barbeque lighter fluid banned in many jurisdictions?

You're kidding, right?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Why is barbeque lighter fluid banned in many jurisdictions?

You're kidding, right?

California. Aspen also had a shot at it, but I think the law failed to pass.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Why is barbeque lighter fluid banned in many jurisdictions?

You're kidding, right?

California. Aspen also had a shot at it, but I think the law failed to
pass.

Wow. Now I've heard everything.

Of course, today I learned that people in the Seattle, WA area cannot smoke
cigarettes *outside* in public areas -- which seem to be defined as pretty
much anywhere in the city.

As much as I hate smoking, that is amazing.

Why is it that so many areas of the country that pride themselves as being
"liberal" and "free" are neither?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Why is barbeque lighter fluid banned in many jurisdictions?

You're kidding, right?

Partially.

As California has tightened up its air pollution regulations for
automobiles, it is approaching the point where cars are no longer the
major source of air pollution in the Los Angeles area. Other types of
pollution are starting to come into the crosshairs of the pollution
control districts, including such things as barbeque lighter fluid,
paint thinners, dry cleaning fluids, contact cement, and exhaust
emissions from small engines used for lawn mowers, leaf blowers, and
weed eaters.

Of particular concern are what they call Volatile Organic Compounds
(VOC) They estimate that something like 400 tons of VOCs are released
into the air in the San Francisco Bay area each day, down from 600 tons
15 years ago. (Compare that to the amount of fuel in a fuel dump)

As such, there have been a number of proposals to ban things that
contain such chemicals outright. In fact, commercial production of
chemicals like carbon tetrachloride, trichlorethane, and certain types
of Freon have ceased by international agreement.

Pressure on the manufacturers has been used instead, so oil-based paints
no longer use much xylene or toluene, water-based paints like latex are
being pushed more and more, contact cement no longer uses methyl ethyl
ketones, ink-jet cartridges use thinners derived from soy, and so on. It
extends to barbeque ligher fluids as well. The lighter fluid you get
today is not what you got 15 years ago. Most people haven't noticed the
difference, but teh fluid no longer contains the traditional chemicals
like naptha. Instead, low VOC solvents are used.

Getting back to fuel dumping. As the quantities of VOCs from other
sources drop to lower levels over time, don't be surprised to see the
air pollution regulators focus in on such things as fuel dumping. It
will become more and more of an issue if it grows in proportion to other
types of VOC emissions.

"James Robinson" wrote

In fact, commercial production of
chemicals like carbon tetrachloride, trichlorethane, and certain types
of Freon have ceased by international agreement.

Freon is not a VOC, is it?
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote:


"James Robinson" wrote

In fact, commercial production of
chemicals like carbon tetrachloride, trichlorethane, and certain types
of Freon have ceased by international agreement.

Freon is not a VOC, is it?

Certain types of Freon are. Those types are no longer used in new air
conditioning or refrigeration systems. Older systems will still have them,
but you can't replace lost fluid if you have a leak.

James Robinson wrote:

Certain types of Freon are. Those types are no longer used in new air
conditioning or refrigeration systems. Older systems will still have them,
but you can't replace lost fluid if you have a leak.

Not with the older type of fluid, but you can replace it with the newer types.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

"James Robinson" wrote

Certain types of Freon are. Those types are no longer used in new air
conditioning or refrigeration systems. Older systems will still have
them,
but you can't replace lost fluid if you have a leak.

I think you are wrong about that. Sure, they are nasty things, in how they
combine in the upper atmosphere to eat ozone, but VOC's are things that
burn, and were not burned before they were released, right?

It all just has to do with classifications, and I believe Freon is in a
different classification.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote:


"James Robinson" wrote

Certain types of Freon are. Those types are no longer used in new
air conditioning or refrigeration systems. Older systems will still
have
them,
but you can't replace lost fluid if you have a leak.

I think you are wrong about that. Sure, they are nasty things, in how
they combine in the upper atmosphere to eat ozone, but VOC's are
things that burn, and were not burned before they were released,
right?

Volatile Organic Compounds do not have to burn. They simply evaporate
quickly, and can change chemically under the effects of sunlight.

It all just has to do with classifications, and I believe Freon is in
a different classification.

It may simply be classification, but the EPA considers certain types of
Freon to be VOCs. Here is a link to a couple of web sites that list
VOCs, including various types of Freon as examples:

http://www.skcinc.com/cff/1676.pdf
http://www.airquality.lanl.gov/pdf/N...dVOCTable3.pdf

"James Robinson" wrote

It may simply be classification, but the EPA considers certain types of
Freon to be VOCs. Here is a link to a couple of web sites that list
VOCs, including various types of Freon as examples:

http://www.skcinc.com/cff/1676.pdf
http://www.airquality.lanl.gov/pdf/N...dVOCTable3.pdf

OK, I learned something new today. Good by me. ;-)