Cirrus Killer? Cessna just doesn't get it...

In a previous article, "Morgans" said:
and their stuff, kids friends, and other general stuff. Four wheel drive,
so you can still go when it snows, or you park in the wet grass, and get
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Too bad they don't give you the ability to stop when it snows.


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Paul Tomblin wrote:

In a previous article, "Morgans" said:

and their stuff, kids friends, and other general stuff. Four wheel drive,
so you can still go when it snows, or you park in the wet grass, and get

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Too bad they don't give you the ability to stop when it snows.

They stop as well as most other vehicles.


Matt

In article ,
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

and their stuff, kids friends, and other general stuff. Four wheel drive,
so you can still go when it snows, or you park in the wet grass, and get
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Too bad they don't give you the ability to stop when it snows.

no worse than other vehicles.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

In a previous article, Bob Noel said:
In article ,
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:
and their stuff, kids friends, and other general stuff. Four wheel drive,
so you can still go when it snows, or you park in the wet grass, and get
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Too bad they don't give you the ability to stop when it snows.

no worse than other vehicles.

Only twice as heavy and more susceptable to side winds.

I've gotten into a lot more trouble when I can't stop when it's snowing
than I have when I can't go. "Can't go" is an inconvenience, "can't stop"
is life threatening.

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Paul Tomblin wrote:

In a previous article, Bob Noel said:

In article ,
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

and their stuff, kids friends, and other general stuff. Four wheel drive,
so you can still go when it snows, or you park in the wet grass, and get

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Too bad they don't give you the ability to stop when it snows.

no worse than other vehicles.


Only twice as heavy and more susceptable to side winds.

You obviously haven't driven many SUVs and are just reading what others
write, who also haven't driven SUVs.


I've gotten into a lot more trouble when I can't stop when it's snowing
than I have when I can't go. "Can't go" is an inconvenience, "can't stop"
is life threatening.

True. And this has exactly what to do with SUVS vs. cars? Cars have
the same problem stopping on slick surfaces as do SUVs.


Matt

"Paul Tomblin" wrote

Only twice as heavy and more susceptable to side winds.

twice as heavy (which they really are not) means more weight on the wheels,
which give a higher coefficient of friction, plus the fact that they have
bigger tires. It also helps if you don't drive faster than your ability to
stop for the conditions.

If you don't like SUV's, OK, but this is a stupid argument to base the cons
on.
--
Jim in NC

You'd better look up "coefficient of friction" in a physics text.

I've driven plenty of rented SUVs in snow, in mountain rangers across the
continent and around the world -- and none of them handles, goes or stops as
well as my 98 Subaru with IRS and Michelin snow tires.

And my 40-year-old airplane does 80% of what a Cirrus will do but cost me
15% of the Cirrus purchase price. It gets better gas mileage than a Ford
Explorer, at three times the speed.

When will I buy a new airplane? When it's priced like my old airplane.

Seth
Comanche N8100R

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Paul Tomblin" wrote

Only twice as heavy and more susceptable to side winds.

twice as heavy (which they really are not) means more weight on the
wheels,
which give a higher coefficient of friction, plus the fact that they have
bigger tires. It also helps if you don't drive faster than your ability
to
stop for the conditions.

If you don't like SUV's, OK, but this is a stupid argument to base the
cons
on.
--
Jim in NC

I've driven plenty of rented SUVs in snow, in mountain rangers across the
continent and around the world -- and none of them handles, goes or stops as
well as my 98 Subaru with IRS and Michelin snow tires.

I'm with you on that. I've got a '97 Subaru Outback that is absolutely
unstoppable in snow. It makes my old Chevy Blazer look like the POS it
was.

When will I buy a new airplane? When it's priced like my old airplane.

Amen, brother -- me, too. (Which, of course, means "never" -- but I
can live with that.)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Seth Masia wrote:

You'd better look up "coefficient of friction" in a physics text.

I've driven plenty of rented SUVs in snow, in mountain rangers across the
continent and around the world -- and none of them handles, goes or stops as
well as my 98 Subaru with IRS and Michelin snow tires.

I've driven a number of Subarus and also trucks and SUVS. My K1500 will
go through deep, wet snow much better than any Subaru. That simple
reason is ground clearance. I have about twice what a Sub has. If you
really believe that this doesn't make a difference, then your experience
is much more limited than you claim. Sure, in 5" of snow, the Sub will
perform as well or better. But in 12" of snow, the tables turn. My
truck is barely dragging at that point, but the Sub is pushing 5" or so
of snow.


Matt

In article , Matt Whiting
wrote:

I've driven a number of Subarus and also trucks and SUVS. My K1500 will
go through deep, wet snow much better than any Subaru.

No question about that.

I would like to take this time to point out, though, that the Subaru
wagons have *more* ground clearance than the Ford Explorer. I found
the latter to be a real dog in deep snow.