Cirrus Killer? Cessna just doesn't get it...

Dave Stadt wrote:

Most SUVs are driven by one person going to work on dry pavement.
Most do
not pull trailers. Most do not have 4-wheel drive and I quite often pass
them like they were standing still in the snow with my Saturn wagon. The
safety aspect is suspect.

Yes, most folks don't tow their trailer to work every day with them.
However, they may tow it every weekend. Would you rather they waste the
resources and have two vehicles, one for the weekend and one to drive to
work? The energy required to make the car and operate it is much
greater than the incremental gas required to drive the SUV to work
during the week and not have a second vehicle.


Matt

On 2005-10-01, Matt Whiting wrote:
Yes, most folks don't tow their trailer to work every day with them.
However, they may tow it every weekend.

Most folks with SUVs never tow anything at all. SUVs were popular where
I used to live in Houston. I'd estimate from suburban driveways that
about 1 in 10 SUVs ever towed anything at all, and about the same
proportion ever used more than 4 seats - ever. Out of the 1 in 10 that
had a trailer to pull, about half of those trailers could easily be
towed safely by a normal midsize car. Most SUVs are bought not to
offroad, tow, haul 7 passengers - but to look cool.

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Dylan Smith wrote:

On 2005-10-01, Matt Whiting wrote:

Yes, most folks don't tow their trailer to work every day with them.
However, they may tow it every weekend.


Most folks with SUVs never tow anything at all. SUVs were popular where
I used to live in Houston. I'd estimate from suburban driveways that
about 1 in 10 SUVs ever towed anything at all, and about the same
proportion ever used more than 4 seats - ever. Out of the 1 in 10 that
had a trailer to pull, about half of those trailers could easily be
towed safely by a normal midsize car. Most SUVs are bought not to
offroad, tow, haul 7 passengers - but to look cool.

I can't speak for TX as I don't live there, but I don't think your stats
hold true in PA.


Matt

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:44:27 +0000, Dylan Smith wrote:

On 2005-10-01, Matt Whiting wrote:
Yes, most folks don't tow their trailer to work every day with them.
However, they may tow it every weekend.

Most folks with SUVs never tow anything at all. SUVs were popular where
I used to live in Houston. I'd estimate from suburban driveways that
about 1 in 10 SUVs ever towed anything at all, and about the same
proportion ever used more than 4 seats - ever. Out of the 1 in 10 that
had a trailer to pull, about half of those trailers could easily be
towed safely by a normal midsize car. Most SUVs are bought not to
offroad, tow, haul 7 passengers - but to look cool.

IIRC, you're not far off form the real stats. Again, IIRC, only 2 out of
10 actually tow/haul anything, ever leave pavement, ever have more than
four people in them. Basically, only 1/5 of all SUVs owners, own them for
anything other than status or coolness factors.

There is nothing wrong with a dual use vehicle. I attach the following as
an example:

http://www.lookatentertainment.com/v/v-507.htm

Greg Copeland wrote:

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:44:27 +0000, Dylan Smith wrote:


On 2005-10-01, Matt Whiting wrote:

Yes, most folks don't tow their trailer to work every day with them.
However, they may tow it every weekend.

Most folks with SUVs never tow anything at all. SUVs were popular where
I used to live in Houston. I'd estimate from suburban driveways that
about 1 in 10 SUVs ever towed anything at all, and about the same
proportion ever used more than 4 seats - ever. Out of the 1 in 10 that
had a trailer to pull, about half of those trailers could easily be
towed safely by a normal midsize car. Most SUVs are bought not to
offroad, tow, haul 7 passengers - but to look cool.


IIRC, you're not far off form the real stats. Again, IIRC, only 2 out of
10 actually tow/haul anything, ever leave pavement, ever have more than
four people in them. Basically, only 1/5 of all SUVs owners, own them for
anything other than status or coolness factors.

If that is true, then there are a lot of deluded Americans out there.
An SUV for status or coolness as compared to a Vette, Miata, etc. That
is hilarious.

Matt

On 2005-10-03, Matt Whiting wrote:
If that is true, then there are a lot of deluded Americans out there.
An SUV for status or coolness as compared to a Vette, Miata, etc. That
is hilarious.

I reached this conclusion long ago - there are indeed a lot of deluded
people out there. The advertisments tell them an SUV is gung ho and
cool, so they think it is so. The Corvette now has a
boy-racer/mid-life-crisis image, and the Miata has an image of being a
hairdresser's car, but a giant 4x4 now has accepted macho appeal. The
same thing to a lesser extent goes for a pickup truck, but most the
people I know with pickup trucks actually do throw **** in the back of
them from time to time.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

Dylan Smith wrote:

On 2005-10-03, Matt Whiting wrote:

If that is true, then there are a lot of deluded Americans out there.
An SUV for status or coolness as compared to a Vette, Miata, etc. That
is hilarious.


I reached this conclusion long ago - there are indeed a lot of deluded
people out there. The advertisments tell them an SUV is gung ho and
cool, so they think it is so. The Corvette now has a
boy-racer/mid-life-crisis image, and the Miata has an image of being a
hairdresser's car, but a giant 4x4 now has accepted macho appeal. The
same thing to a lesser extent goes for a pickup truck, but most the
people I know with pickup trucks actually do throw **** in the back of
them from time to time.

I find that the combination of my snowplow mount on the front, receiver
hitch on the rear and NRA stickers all around, makes my K1500 plenty
macho. :-) I don't need no steenkin' SUV for macho.


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:

I find that the combination of my snowplow mount on the front, receiver
hitch on the rear and NRA stickers all around, makes my K1500 plenty
macho. :-) I don't need no steenkin' SUV for macho.

Yeah, my Nissan 4WD PU has a brush guard instead of plow mount, but I find I get
the same effect.

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