Why can't the French dump fuel?

"Morgans" wrote:


"James Robinson" wrote

In fact, commercial production of
chemicals like carbon tetrachloride, trichlorethane, and certain types
of Freon have ceased by international agreement.

Freon is not a VOC, is it?

Certain types of Freon are. Those types are no longer used in new air
conditioning or refrigeration systems. Older systems will still have them,
but you can't replace lost fluid if you have a leak.

James Robinson wrote:

Certain types of Freon are. Those types are no longer used in new air
conditioning or refrigeration systems. Older systems will still have them,
but you can't replace lost fluid if you have a leak.

Not with the older type of fluid, but you can replace it with the newer types.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

"James Robinson" wrote

Certain types of Freon are. Those types are no longer used in new air
conditioning or refrigeration systems. Older systems will still have
them,
but you can't replace lost fluid if you have a leak.

I think you are wrong about that. Sure, they are nasty things, in how they
combine in the upper atmosphere to eat ozone, but VOC's are things that
burn, and were not burned before they were released, right?

It all just has to do with classifications, and I believe Freon is in a
different classification.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote:


"James Robinson" wrote

Certain types of Freon are. Those types are no longer used in new
air conditioning or refrigeration systems. Older systems will still
have
them,
but you can't replace lost fluid if you have a leak.

I think you are wrong about that. Sure, they are nasty things, in how
they combine in the upper atmosphere to eat ozone, but VOC's are
things that burn, and were not burned before they were released,
right?

Volatile Organic Compounds do not have to burn. They simply evaporate
quickly, and can change chemically under the effects of sunlight.

It all just has to do with classifications, and I believe Freon is in
a different classification.

It may simply be classification, but the EPA considers certain types of
Freon to be VOCs. Here is a link to a couple of web sites that list
VOCs, including various types of Freon as examples:

http://www.skcinc.com/cff/1676.pdf
http://www.airquality.lanl.gov/pdf/N...dVOCTable3.pdf

"James Robinson" wrote

It may simply be classification, but the EPA considers certain types of
Freon to be VOCs. Here is a link to a couple of web sites that list
VOCs, including various types of Freon as examples:

http://www.skcinc.com/cff/1676.pdf
http://www.airquality.lanl.gov/pdf/N...dVOCTable3.pdf

OK, I learned something new today. Good by me. ;-)

m

"James Robinson" wrote

Certain types of Freon are. Those types are no longer used in new air
conditioning or refrigeration systems. Older systems will still have
them,
but you can't replace lost fluid if you have a leak.

Where did you hear that? That must have been nonexistium that the AC
technician put in my AC at home this spring. G

The old stuff is still available, but it costs more than the new stuff, and
must be used by licensed tecs, and must be pumped out and recovered when
conditions demand that it be removed from the system. I think I heard that
the old stuff is not being manufactured anymore, but that the existing
stockpiles will last for a few more years, but I'm not at all sure about
that.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote:

"James Robinson" wrote

Certain types of Freon are. Those types are no longer used in new
air conditioning or refrigeration systems. Older systems will still
have them, but you can't replace lost fluid if you have a leak.

Where did you hear that? That must have been nonexistium that the AC
technician put in my AC at home this spring. G

The old stuff is still available, but it costs more than the new
stuff, and must be used by licensed tecs, and must be pumped out and
recovered when conditions demand that it be removed from the system.
I think I heard that the old stuff is not being manufactured anymore,
but that the existing stockpiles will last for a few more years, but
I'm not at all sure about that.

I assumed it was gone by now. They stopped making CFC-12 about 10 years
ago, and the only stocks were from what was drained from existing cars,
plus whatever stocks where in place when production ended.

You can also replace CFC-12 with other types of Freon. (like HFC-134a)
The replacements aren't quite as effective in older systems as CFC-12.