Trial flying lesson - update 1

Hi

Thanks for the replies, not sure if training in the US would be the
best way to go, as if I understand correctly, the licence would only
allow you to fly American registered planes, and I'm not sure how many
of those there are owned by the local flying clubs.

Unless you can train for the different licences in the US?

Regards

Ice blonde wrote:

Unless you can train for the different licences in the US?

There used to be an outfit down in Florida that offered training for the British
license. I don't know how it's doing since 9/11.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Check it out: http://www.ukft.com/


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Ice blonde wrote:

Unless you can train for the different licences in the US?

There used to be an outfit down in Florida that offered training for the
British license. I don't know how it's doing since 9/11.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your
neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Seth Masia wrote:

Check it out: http://www.ukft.com/

Cool! Lancaster, PA would be a great place to learn to fly.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Hi all

Seth Masia wrote:
Check it out: http://www.ukft.com/

Now that does look interesting..... But I'm not going to be flitting
off to do anything in a hurry :-)

Have never been to the Mid West, but your not selling it very well ;-)
We have a place called Boston in Lincs over here, its a bit like that,
really really flat and cabbages for as far as the eye can see...!

Now a quick question, is there much difference in flying a piper 4
seat, rather than a Cessna 2 seat?

I have a willing soul who would love to come up for a ride, and it
would be a good excuse to have another lesson, but I wouldn't want to
try learning in two very different planes at once, that would just be
confusing.

Many thanks

On 5 Oct 2005 12:31:50 -0700, "Ice blonde"
wrote:

Hi all

Seth Masia wrote:
Check it out: http://www.ukft.com/

Now that does look interesting..... But I'm not going to be flitting
off to do anything in a hurry :-)

Have never been to the Mid West, but your not selling it very well ;-)
We have a place called Boston in Lincs over here, its a bit like that,
really really flat and cabbages for as far as the eye can see...!

Now a quick question, is there much difference in flying a piper 4
seat, rather than a Cessna 2 seat?

I have a willing soul who would love to come up for a ride, and it
would be a good excuse to have another lesson, but I wouldn't want to
try learning in two very different planes at once, that would just be
confusing.

Many thanks


I'm learning in the UK.
Took a trial lesson in a cessna and also a trial in a piper 4 seater.
I am learning in a Piper. It felt nicer to fly in having had an hour
in each.
Disadvantage is it costs more to learn in a Piper.

Ice blonde wrote:

Now a quick question, is there much difference in flying a piper 4
seat, rather than a Cessna 2 seat?

Yes. The Piper is heavier and low wing. That makes it less likely to bounce
around when the air is a bit unstable. It takes longer to get it off the ground.
It has a tendency to "float" a little when landing. It's a bit heavier on the
controls. It's faster.

The low wing makes it a poor sightseeing platform. On the other hand, you can
see in the direction you're turning, so the runway stays in sight while you come
in to land.

There are a few other differences, but they don't make any difference at this
stage of your training.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

The four-seat Piper is probably 160 hp, while the two-seat Cessna is 105 hp.
The bigger plane will feel heavier and more stable. With two people aboard
it will climb more quickly. It will feel like moving from an old Mini to a
new four-door Toyota . . .

There's also a difference in visibility. The Cessna, because of the high
wing, gives you an unrestricted view downward, so it's great for sightseeing
and taking pix. You can probably flip the windows open a bit for this
purpose. It's easy to climb in and out of the plane through big doors on
either side, and the wing provides shade on hot days, a little shelter on
wet ones. When you fly the landing pattern, you lose sight of the runway for
about 20 seconds in each turn because the wing blocks the view, which can be
disconcerting until you're used to it. The Piper, with its low wing,
requires you clamber up to enter, and it has a single door on the right, so
it's a bit more awkward to load. Visibility in the pattern is grand -- you
can eyeball the runway all the way through your turns. You can't look
straight down through the wing; you can't see the landing gear. And you can
fuel the plane without having to climb up to the wing. On the other hand,
pre-flight with the low wing means I have to roll around on the tarmac to
drain fuel and inspect the gear.

Which do you prefer? Given equal power and seating, it just depends on how
you use the airplane. I trained in Cessnas, own a Piper. For purely
practical purposes, I prefer the high wing -- If I were still flying search
and rescue, if I were flying big cargo and elderly passengers, or operating
off a grass strip, I'd own a Cessna. But I do love the Piper and the low
wing feels a bit more sporting.

Seth




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Hi all

Seth Masia wrote:
Check it out: http://www.ukft.com/

Now that does look interesting..... But I'm not going to be flitting
off to do anything in a hurry :-)

Have never been to the Mid West, but your not selling it very well ;-)
We have a place called Boston in Lincs over here, its a bit like that,
really really flat and cabbages for as far as the eye can see...!

Now a quick question, is there much difference in flying a piper 4
seat, rather than a Cessna 2 seat?

I have a willing soul who would love to come up for a ride, and it
would be a good excuse to have another lesson, but I wouldn't want to
try learning in two very different planes at once, that would just be
confusing.

Many thanks

On 4 Oct 2005 11:07:16 -0700, "Ice blonde"
wrote:

I understand correctly, the licence would only
allow you to fly American registered planes,

No, the certificate (as it's called in the U.S.) is transferable to
the UK. British pilots regularly train here to take advantage of the
lower prices, good weather (I would suggest Arizona, but only in the
winter , and the opportunity to travel. There's a bit of paperwork
now, what with Mohammed Atta and his friends.





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