private planes lower housing prices

John Clear wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:
The city of Newark has many people moving out, and many
nice homes for sale after months of being on the market.

Why, you may ask?

It is because of the constant drone of private planes
using the airspace above Newark as their playground.

So is the noise problem in Newark or Fremont? The last time
you trolled this group, it was Fremont.

For those not familiar with the Bay Area, Newark and Fremont are
both right on the final approach course to Oakland, next to Hayward,
and across the bay from San Carlos and Palo Alto.

I live in Newark, play in Fremont, and work in Sunnyvale.
I hardly ever hear plane noise in Sunnyvale, maybe once on hour
at best, mostly some traffic from Moffett Field, which I don't mind.

Believe me , there is private plane drone from about 9AM
to sundown every day in Newark, a little less in Fremont.

I live near a large lake. I knew it when I bought it and never once
complained about the sounds of boats!

My wife has never noticed the boats in fact rather likes them on Sunday
mornings of the deck! She never even noticed the GA aircraft until I
started flying. I never thought she noticed until one morning she looked up
and said "That's a radial engine, isn't it?"

So what's the problem if you already know the airport is there?
--
Chris Ehlbeck, PP-ASEL
"It's a license to learn, have fun and buy really expensive hamburgers."

"George Patterson" wrote in message
news:Hzl1f.5716$ar6.2479@trndny01...
Sylvain wrote:

I am not sure I understand what you are whining about:

He's like lots of other people. He wants to take advantage of the low
housing
prices, then get the airport closed so that his land will be worth more.
Happens
all over, not just in Frisco.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your
neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Reminds me of the Wall Street pros "warning" people not to buy into the
Google IPO, at ~85 or so, and then a year later, recommending that investors
buy GOOG at $300 share.
"Sylvain" wrote in message
...
George Patterson wrote:
Sylvain wrote:
I am not sure I understand what you are whining about:

He's like lots of other people. He wants to take advantage of the low
housing prices, then get the airport closed so that his land will be
worth more. Happens all over, not just in Frisco.

...and when the airport closes, they sell their house first thing
(to cash in, and because they can't stand the increase in noise
and traffic due the higher population density that soon follows the
development of the late airport);

I knew that, but if we must get trolls once in a while, I would
expect a higher standard; even skylune articulates his
'arguments' better than that...

--Sylvain

Don't waste your time here.

Most of the people here think you should be absolutely thrilled to hear
the high pitched whine of a C-172 straining for altitude, followed by
another, and another, etc... all day long, starting at 5:00 am.

If you're not, they think you must be a loser washout from flight school,
because everyone thats anyone has a PPL or is working on one.

They will blame YOU for moving close to an airport (even if you are not
close to an airport, or the airport's operations have increased five-fold
over the past ten years, or the airport is planning a "safety" improvement
which involves parallel runways or runway lengthening).

While there are noise restrictions on commercial aircraft (google Stage
III), cars, motorcycles, music, lawnmowers, etc., imposing (or enforcing)
any type of noise restricitons on these 40-year old planes is considered
un-American and impinges on freedom. If you don't like the noise: f-you
and move. GA is the only activity I know of that is exempt from all forms
of noise regulation (except some Calif. airports where the localities had
the kahoonas to make the restrictions mandatory, or to "charge for the
externality" in the form of landing fees, night surcharges, etc. ]

But there is very good news. The bright side of permanently higher energy
prices means less discretionary flying. Upcoming user fees mean less
discretionary flying. The private pilot population is declining (thus the
desperate advertising by flight schools for new students), and
demographically they are old. Population growth means that more people
will be rightfully annoyed by excessive noise.

Airports that try to work with the surrounding community stand a better
chance of survival than those that seek to expand operations and then
argue, "We were here first."

While there are noise restrictions on commercial aircraft (google
Stage III), cars, motorcycles, music, lawnmowers, etc.,

And yet I hear more leaf blowers, loud bikes, fart can ricers and thump cars
than ever. I'd rather hear P-51s go overhead than listen to damn leaf
blowers going all weekend.

They were there first. Move next to the damned airport then, when the
P-51s will drown out all the other noise.

tom418 wrote:
Reminds me of the Wall Street pros "warning" people not to buy into the
Google IPO, at ~85 or so, and then a year later, recommending that investors
buy GOOG at $300 share.

never trust (completely) someone who works on commissions...

--Sylvain :-)

Skylune wrote:
They were there first. Move next to the damned airport then, when the
P-51s will drown out all the other noise.

can't afford it, with all these speculators hogging the properties
while trying to close them off...

--Sylvain

Excellent point. The economic studies of GA airports do include nearby
residential real estate appreciation as another key factor. When a GA
airport is nearby, everyone wins!!!

On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:39:41 -0400, "Skylune"
wrote in
outaviation.com::

where the localities had the kahoonas to make the restrictions mandatory

That 'kahoonas' is an interesting word. Unfortunately it's not in my
dictionary, although 'kahuna' is: a Hawaiian witch doctor.

Are you saying the "localities" invoke black magic to restrict
aviation activity?

:-)