Gas Prices -- Help at last?

Mike Rapoport wrote:

Refining capacity for gasoline has increased 3X over the period while
no new refineries were built.

The question is: Is that kind of growth sustainable?

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Martin Hotze wrote:

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:36:05 GMT, Matt Whiting wrote:


Yes, has anyone an example of a government run business or anything else
for that matter that ever turned a profit?



Davis Monthan Air Force Base with selling aircraft parts (hey, seems to be
on topic) is the only US military facility making a profit (so I was told
at a tour there)

Yes, it is easy to make money when you don't have to buy what you are
selling! Do you have a real example?


Matt

It will make fascinating reading, trying to discern the real reasons that
an
oil company would close a badly needed oil refinery.

Because meeting EPA regulations costs more than the refined products
could ever pay back.

Unless of course you charged what it really costs!

That's the point. If they could, they would.

And, besides -- calling what amounts to an artificial tax on all of us the
"real cost" of oil is disingenuous, at best.
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Jay Honeck
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Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Yeah, right. We'd be SO much better off if we'd just instead allowed
ourselves to be "unregulated" into the unmitigated environmental disaster
oil companies (and others, of course) would have created absent those
regulations.

And don't fool yourself -- this oil/gas price situation is a mess that
could ultimately lead to a world-wide economic downturn.

Yup, it sure could. But whatever happens, it will be a minor shadow of
what could have occurred with long-term environmental destruction.

I don't believe anyone here has argued in favor of unfettered industrial
waste. For example, I'm as glad as anyone that my beloved Great Lakes are
cleaner than they've been since the days of Marquette & Joliet.

(Of course, I'm also cognizant of the fact that many of my classmates are
currently unemployed because all of the heavy industry has been driven
overseas or south of the border. To you, I suppose, that's just
"collateral damage." To them, it's been a family catastrophe without
end. )

The bottom line is this: If we've been unable to build new refineries
because we made them a regulatory nightmare, it's time to ratchet the
regulations back a notch or three.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

consider it an option anymore, it is SOP. GM was very instrumental in
removing mass transit capability in many of the US cities by promoting and
basically giving away busses.

Busses aren't "mass transit" anymore?

In most parts of the U.S., they are the only practical alternative to
driving. Despite this fact, they are failing, and/or require huge
government support to survive.

For example, here in Iowa City (and our sister city, Coralville) we spend
something approaching $18 million annually on the bus system. That is
enough to buy every single rider a pretty decent (better than the Mighty
Grape) used car -- every year.

In case you haven't noticed, "Mass transit" is something most Americans use
only as a last resort -- and for very good reasons.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

so send them all to Iowa :-)

I know where there is a nice Inn...

We have several Europeans staying with us this weekend. And a couple more
who are with us for a few months, visiting the University.

Nice folks -- but we tend to avoid discussing politics with them...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jose opined

In fact, the removal of onerous legislative barriers -- which is what
this bill attempts (and fails, BTW) to do -- will once again allow the
free market to prevail.

The free market fails when costs can be passed on to others without
recourse. Pollution passes costs on to others without recourse,
sometimes permanently. "Onerous legislative barriers" are one way to
ensure that this doesn't happen (as much).

Quite true.

But if no pollution is allowed, we'd be in real trouble. Even the smoke from a
campfire is pollution.


They are a Good Thing.



-ash
Cthulhu in 2005!
Why wait for nature?

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:I592f.412202$x96.147537@attbi_s72...
consider it an option anymore, it is SOP. GM was very instrumental in removing mass transit capability in many of the
US cities by promoting and basically giving away busses.

Busses aren't "mass transit" anymore?

In most parts of the U.S., they are the only practical alternative to driving. Despite this fact, they are failing,
and/or require huge government support to survive.

For example, here in Iowa City (and our sister city, Coralville) we spend something approaching $18 million annually
on the bus system. That is enough to buy every single rider a pretty decent (better than the Mighty Grape) used
car -- every year.

In case you haven't noticed, "Mass transit" is something most Americans use only as a last resort -- and for very good
reasons.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Put the vehicles on rails, power them with electricity, and define the route. Amazing how folks will build along the
route to take advantage of the easily available transportation. Oh wait, that was back in the 1800's....

The reason the busses need so much help is because they are not the best solution and begin to reflect the real cost of
transportation. Think subways, trains, trolleys.

"LWG" wrote in message . ..
I just *love* it when liberals tell us we have to be taxed, or taxed more, on a commodity "for our own good." Is it to
cut consumption? Well, then *you* trade your SUV in for a bicycle, and we'll how that works for you.



What SUV? Interesting how a conservative would bid for less conservation. Even the prez finally asked us to conserve,
just a little, for the better good. How do you keep children from doing something bad? There has to be some sort of
'penalty. Generally folks don't do things on their own, they will simply imitate each other...

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:40:56 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

In case you haven't noticed, "Mass transit" is something most Americans use
only as a last resort -- and for very good reasons.

mostly because of the ego. it is the same here, too. (but using the bus
here is not seen as being poor or something)

#m
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