Gas Prices -- Help at last?

Yeah, right. We'd be SO much better off if we'd just instead allowed
ourselves to be "unregulated" into the unmitigated environmental disaster
oil companies (and others, of course) would have created absent those
regulations.

And don't fool yourself -- this oil/gas price situation is a mess that
could ultimately lead to a world-wide economic downturn.

Yup, it sure could. But whatever happens, it will be a minor shadow of
what could have occurred with long-term environmental destruction.

I don't believe anyone here has argued in favor of unfettered industrial
waste. For example, I'm as glad as anyone that my beloved Great Lakes are
cleaner than they've been since the days of Marquette & Joliet.

(Of course, I'm also cognizant of the fact that many of my classmates are
currently unemployed because all of the heavy industry has been driven
overseas or south of the border. To you, I suppose, that's just
"collateral damage." To them, it's been a family catastrophe without
end. )

The bottom line is this: If we've been unable to build new refineries
because we made them a regulatory nightmare, it's time to ratchet the
regulations back a notch or three.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I don't believe anyone here has argued in favor of unfettered industrial
waste.

You appear to be.

The bottom line is this: If we've been unable to build new refineries
because we made them a regulatory nightmare, it's time to ratchet the
regulations back a notch or three.

That's not the measure of the worth of regulation.

Jose
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The bottom line is this: If we've been unable to build new refineries
because we made them a regulatory nightmare, it's time to ratchet the
regulations back a notch or three.

That's not the measure of the worth of regulation.

Of course not. It's the measure of the disaster of over-regulation.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

That's not the measure of the worth of regulation.

Of course not. It's the measure of the disaster of over-regulation.

The ability to breathe clean air and drink clean water is a measure of
the success of "over"-regulation. New Jersey in the 1960s was the
disaster (as kids we held soaps up to our noses while driving down the
turnpike in order to not throw up).

I don't want to return to that ever again.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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That's not the measure of the worth of regulation.
Of course not. It's the measure of the disaster of over-regulation.

The ability to breathe clean air and drink clean water is a measure of the
success of "over"-regulation. New Jersey in the 1960s was the disaster
(as kids we held soaps up to our noses while driving down the turnpike in
order to not throw up).

I don't want to return to that ever again.

Analogy: death sentence for speeding.

Rationality dictates a response appropriate to the problem. Irrationality
dictates over-reaction and hysterics.

Also, most regulation is based on junk science.

You made your bed, now sleep in it.

Analogy: death sentence for speeding.

Analogy: Fatal speeding accident. The laws of physics take care of the
rest.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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I don't believe anyone here has argued in favor of unfettered industrial
waste.

You appear to be.

No he doesn't.

The bottom line is this: If we've been unable to build new refineries
because we made them a regulatory nightmare, it's time to ratchet the
regulations back a notch or three.

That's not the measure of the worth of regulation.

What is?

No he doesn't.

Yes, he does.

That is, he does appear to be arguing in favor of unfettered industrial
waste (as the reasonable alternative to overregulation).

What is [the measure of the worth of regulation]?

Whether it accomplishes its goal, whether the goal is worthy and
consistent with a free society, whether there are better methods which
will accomplish this goal, and what the likely outcome would be were
that regulation not to exist.

The goal of preserving a clean environment is certainly worthy, sharply
limiting industrial pollution =is= consistent with a free society, since
"your freedom to swing your fist ends where my nose begins", the likely
outcome of eliminating "onerous environmental regulations" would be
unfettered pollution and a country that smells like 1960s New Jersey.

Jose
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The goal of preserving a clean environment is certainly worthy, sharply
limiting industrial pollution =is= consistent with a free society, since
"your freedom to swing your fist ends where my nose begins", the likely
outcome of eliminating "onerous environmental regulations" would be
unfettered pollution and a country that smells like 1960s New Jersey.

Not that I have any interest in seeing America return to an industrial
economy, but there a millions of under-educated Americans who desperately
needed those long-gone blue-collar jobs.

It is they who have suffered the brunt of the crazy, over-blown
environmental regulations. That smell you and I haughtily disdained was
the smell of money to them and their families.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Not that I have any interest in seeing America return to an industrial
economy, but there a millions of under-educated Americans who desperately
needed those long-gone blue-collar jobs.

It is they who have suffered the brunt of the crazy, over-blown
environmental regulations. That smell you and I haughtily disdained was
the smell of money to them and their families.

That somebody profits from destroying the environment is no reason to
let it be so. The same arguments can be made for casinos, logging the
redwoods, and cocaine as a legitimate business.

Jose
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Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
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