Gas Prices -- Help at last?

Actually, it's a good idea in Iowa City, period. There hasn't been a
Republican elected to office here since before I was born -- and I'm 47
years old!

:-)

Wow, you are much more backwards then I even imagined!

Not to worry. Go five miles outside of this barren, forsakenly liberal
land, and to be labeled a "Democrat" is political suicide...

That's why we call Iowa City "36 square miles surrounded by reality..."

;-)

Most of Iowa is solidly conservative.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jose" wrote in message
.. .
The free market fails when costs can be passed on to others without
recourse.
That increases a producers cost and makes them uncompetitive.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that by not allowing
a producer to pass costs on to others without recourse,

I'm saying you knowledge of how free markets work is typically the bilge of
academia.

this makes producers uncompetitive? I suppose I'd agree. My own business
is unfairly restricted because I have to take care of my own garbage
rather than just toss it at my neighbor, I have to buy my own supplies
rather than just raid my neighbor's house, and I have to follow laws.
Bloddy inconvenient, I say.

Most environmental regulation is based on junk science.

It doesn't take much science to compare before and after. I'll take
"after".

Your knowledge on science is akin to your knowledge of free markets.

In article , "JohnH"
wrote:

I, for example, would be a perfect candidate for mass transit. My
home is four miles from my office,

Your route sounds like an even better candidate for a bicycle
commute.

Yeah, that would be a sight in January... :-/

And what "sight" would that be? Some warmer clothes?

Do people really bike on snow and ice?

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

In article ,
Martin Hotze wrote:

given the fact that there is no oil or gas available (timewarp yourself to
the future): what kind of energy and energy storage would you use for
powering small units like cars?


Bio Diesel or Ethanol. Both will come from growing sugar cane or some
other high yield low cost plants.
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Eduardo K. | To put a pipe in byte mode,
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I am reminded of you connecting the number of refineries with the capacity
to produce gasoline when there is no direct connection. You accepted this
as the "Truth" simply because you wanted to. Even when I pointed out that
gasoline production has risen by about a third in the past 20yrs (while
the number of refineries has shrunk) you continue to rant about the
"enviro-nazis" and how they have "prevented" new refineries, when the fact
is that there have been no new refineries because it is more economic to
expand production at existing refineries.

And you continually ignore the fact that this so only because of the
regulatory nightmare our own government has created.

Pay attention now, for here is the Truth, the fundemental reason why
energy is more expensive and why it will stay that way:

HERE IT IS:
****Until recently, only about 25% of the worlds population used any
meaningful amount of energy, now about 60% does.****

Of course, in the long run, energy costs must rise as more of the world
needs it. This is inevitable.

However, that doesn't change the fact that there is no reason for our own
government to accelerate this potentially disastrous economic reality.
Instead of standing in the way of oil production, they should be trying to
expand access to proven oil reserves, and they should be trying to loosen
the fetters of insane environmental lunacy so that more refineries can be
built.

Here is just one tiny, local example of this kind of environmental idiocy:
For over 30 years our airport has been trying to extend Rwy 25. For various
reasons, over that period of time, the project has started and stopped, been
delayed, shot down, and resurrected. Each time it has been brought back to
life, the EPA (and the State-level equivalents) have required a brand new
set of "environmental impact statements." I don't know the exact number,
but well over a dozen complete, multi-year EIS's have been done for this
SINGLE PROJECT, at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

As of last month, after several years of work, with bulldozers already
pushing dirt around, the FAA and EPA once again asked for a meeting to
"clarify the environmental goals and procedures" with the project, requiring
yet another meeting with airport commissioners, city and state officials.
This required many dozens of hours (at tax-payer expense, of course), for
the umpteen-thousandth time -- and this is for a friggin' RUNWAY EXTENSION
on land that is already owned by the airport, using plans that have been
drawn up for over three decades.

Now can you just imagine what it must take to build a refinery in this
screwed up country?

We should be supporting bills like the one proposed that streamline the
process, yet there continue to be people like you (and others in this group)
who advocate government by misdirection, stalling, and fraud. Since this
seems to go against your known personality traits, I can only guess that
you've found a way to profit from it?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article g7i2f.468745$xm3.183303@attbi_s21,
Jay Honeck wrote:

Unfortunately, Europe -- supposedly home to some of the best minds in the
world -- has been subjected to gas prices two and three times what we are
currently paying, thanks to a generation of outrageous taxation. If your
statement were true, by now Europe should have developed many alternate
energy sources, rather than suffer gasoline priced at over $6.00 per gallon.

Where are they? What are they?

its been 6 a gallon for too little. normal prices are around 4 a gallon.
for US$4 a gallon the best technology is Diesel. 60% of new cars are
Diesel powered. Diesel is clean and cheaper.

new engines are mostly highpressure Diesels of FSI engines (gas engines
but with gas inyected inside the combusion chamber in a way simmilar
to Diesel engines).

The new 1.4liter FSI TwinCharger VW Jetta makes the same power as a 1.8t
engine on the Turbo Jetta and gets much better mileage, meeting the most
stringent emission laws..

So yes. New tech is coming. 6 dollars a gallon will make it come faster.

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The goal of preserving a clean environment is certainly worthy, sharply
limiting industrial pollution =is= consistent with a free society, since
"your freedom to swing your fist ends where my nose begins", the likely
outcome of eliminating "onerous environmental regulations" would be
unfettered pollution and a country that smells like 1960s New Jersey.

Not that I have any interest in seeing America return to an industrial
economy, but there a millions of under-educated Americans who desperately
needed those long-gone blue-collar jobs.

It is they who have suffered the brunt of the crazy, over-blown
environmental regulations. That smell you and I haughtily disdained was
the smell of money to them and their families.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Most environmental regulation is based on junk science.

It doesn't take much science to compare before and after. I'll take
"after".

While I tend to agree with you, I suspect there are millions of un- and
under-employed blue-collar workers in America who would beg to differ.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Your route sounds like an even better candidate for a bicycle
commute.

Yeah, that would be a sight in January... :-/

And what "sight" would that be? Some warmer clothes?

Do they make snow tires for bicycles?

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:ebl2f.415582$x96.310523@attbi_s72...
It doesn't take much science to compare before and after. I'll take
"after".

While I tend to agree with you, I suspect there are millions of un- and
under-employed blue-collar workers in America who would beg to differ.

That's the third time you've claimed that saving jobs is justification for
destroying the environment.

It's a silly claim. The whole point of environmental protection is to
protect our future. What's worse? Losing 1000 jobs now? Or losing
millions of lives in the future, never mind all the non-human life affected?
It's unfortunate whenever person loses their livelihood, but humans are
adaptable, and the long-term health of the planet takes precedence.

If you think that the loss of jobs needs addressing, then argue to address
it by compensating the families affected through government assistance, long
enough for them to adapt. That cost is inconsequential compared to the
long-term costs of environmental pollution.

Pete