But seriously - new engine

"sleepy6" wrote

BTW the FAA released figures for new sport pilots. There were a grand
total of 64 of them as of a month ago Sport Pilot isn't doing much
so far.

I would think that is not showing how many pilots are flying that previously
had a PPticket and medical, now flying without a medical.

No doubt, it is going to take some time to get some more sLSA training
planes out there in FBO's, and instructors, and examiners, ect. It will
grow; how much is anyone's guess.
--
Jim in NC

In article ,
says...


"sleepy6" wrote

BTW the FAA released figures for new sport pilots. There were a gra
nd
total of 64 of them as of a month ago Sport Pilot isn't doing muc
h
so far.

I would think that is not showing how many pilots are flying that prev
iously
had a PPticket and medical, now flying without a medical.

No doubt, it is going to take some time to get some more sLSA training
planes out there in FBO's, and instructors, and examiners, ect. It wi
ll
grow; how much is anyone's guess.
--
Jim in NC


That's correct and points out the only real good thing about Sport
Pilot. There are no doubt many PP who have elected to not renew their
medical and are flying as sports pilots.

The claim about time needed to get SP up and running is debateable.
Many existing certificated planes have been available for training from
the first day. There was about a 2 year period to get ramped up for
this and another year since it went into effect. As far as a newbie
just entering the sport, there just isn't enough difference involved to
get the SP ticket instead of the PP ticket.

"sleepy6" wrote

The claim about time needed to get SP up and running is debateable.
Many existing certificated planes have been available for training from
the first day.

Really? At FBO's in the rental fleets? I don't agree, at least around
here.

There was about a 2 year period to get ramped up for
this

You are kidding, right? Until the rule was published, no one knew for sure
what the specifics were going to be. Surely not enough to go out and buy an
airplane, and then have it not qualify.

and another year since it went into effect.

The list of planes that are approved has grown, but slowly. Still, the
planes are expensive, and until the FBO's see the need, they won't buy. It
is a catch 22.

As far as a newbie just entering the sport, there just isn't enough
difference involved to get the SP ticket instead of the PP ticket.

Except for those who know they can not pass a medical, and have never tried
to get a medical. I believe those numbers are significant. Still, they are
stuck in the catch 22, waiting for a way to get the training, and a plane to
fly.
--
Jim in NC

In article ,
says...


"sleepy6" wrote

The claim about time needed to get SP up and running is debateable.
Many existing certificated planes have been available for training f
rom
the first day.

Really? At FBO's in the rental fleets? I don't agree, at least aroun
d
here.

There was about a 2 year period to get ramped up for
this

You are kidding, right? Until the rule was published, no one knew for
sure
what the specifics were going to be. Surely not enough to go out and
buy an
airplane, and then have it not qualify.

and another year since it went into effect.

The list of planes that are approved has grown, but slowly. Still, th
e
planes are expensive, and until the FBO's see the need, they won't buy
. It
is a catch 22.

As far as a newbie just entering the sport, there just isn't enough
difference involved to get the SP ticket instead of the PP ticket.

Except for those who know they can not pass a medical, and have never
tried
to get a medical. I believe those numbers are significant. Still, th
ey are
stuck in the catch 22, waiting for a way to get the training, and a pl
ane to
fly.
--
Jim in NC

Lots of certificated planes qualify Jim. Look at the list the EAA puts
out. It was well known way before the final version came out but even
if it wasn't, it's been a year since then. Any FBO could have set up a
program with an old L3 or L4 anytime.

The time excuse has worn pretty thin. There are people out there today
who had absolutely no FAA experience or certs prior to SP that are now
legally instructing pilots and teaching the maintaince classes. The
existing FBOs and instructors would have had it easier than they did.

The real bottom line is that SP is too close to PP for the average
student to accept it.

Until that changes, there will not be a large number of SP students.

"sleepy6" wrote

Lots of certificated planes qualify Jim. Look at the list the EAA puts
out.

I KNOW that, but the FBO's don't have them. They have 150's, 152's, 172's,
Warriors, Arrows, Cirrus, and a few other assorted others, but NO light
sports.

Obviously, you have opinions about the new rating. I won't confuse you with
facts, anymore.
--
Jim in NC

Originally Posted by Morgans

"sleepy6" wrote

Lots of certificated planes qualify Jim. Look at the list the EAA puts
out.

I KNOW that, but the FBO's don't have them. They have 150's, 152's, 172's,
Warriors, Arrows, Cirrus, and a few other assorted others, but NO light
sports.

Obviously, you have opinions about the new rating. I won't confuse you with
facts, anymore.
--
Jim in NC

I looked into getting a Sport Pilot license, and I could find NO flight schools who even knew anything about Sport Pilot, let alone offered training. I still can't find a school in my area that offers SP training.

"Chris Wells" wrote in message
...

Morgans Wrote:
"sleepy6" wrote
-
Lots of certificated planes qualify Jim. Look at the list the EAA
puts
out.-

I KNOW that, but the FBO's don't have them. They have 150's, 152's,
172's,
Warriors, Arrows, Cirrus, and a few other assorted others, but NO
light
sports.

Obviously, you have opinions about the new rating. I won't confuse you
with
facts, anymore.
--
Jim in NC


I looked into getting a Sport Pilot license, and I could find NO
flight schools who even knew anything about Sport Pilot, let alone
offered training. I still can't find a school in my area that offers SP
training.


--
Chris Wells


What is your area Chris?

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:39:20 -0400, "Morgans" wrote:


"sleepy6" wrote

Lots of certificated planes qualify Jim. Look at the list the EAA puts
out.

I KNOW that, but the FBO's don't have them. They have 150's, 152's, 172's,
Warriors, Arrows, Cirrus, and a few other assorted others, but NO light
sports.

And more to the point, there are few tricycle-geared standard-category aircraft
that are Sport Pilot eligible. Few of the budding airline pilots who instruct
at FBOs will be qualified to teach in taildraggers, and the insurance rates are
scary.

While it's been a year since Sport Pilot/LSA started, the training curricula
didn't get approved until quite a while after, and, of course, the SLSAs just
started getting their approval during the spring. These things take time.


Ron Wanttaja