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In article outaviation.com,
As far as Megis: which contractor received the contract to "steal and
destroy" the airport. Daley has for years publicly stated his intention
to close down Megis, then he did it. (After Boyer "took him on." LOL) The
people of Chicago elected him knowing of his plans to bulldoze that
airport.

There's the planning to do it, wanting to do it, and the legal right
to do it. Daley did NOT have the legal right to destroy Meigs, strand
planes, and violate the FAA grant for public use.

'Vejita' S. Cousin wrote:

In article outaviation.com,

As far as Megis: which contractor received the contract to "steal and
destroy" the airport. Daley has for years publicly stated his intention
to close down Megis, then he did it. (After Boyer "took him on." LOL) The
people of Chicago elected him knowing of his plans to bulldoze that
airport.


There's the planning to do it, wanting to do it, and the legal right
to do it. Daley did NOT have the legal right to destroy Meigs, strand
planes, and violate the FAA grant for public use.

What does legal have to do with Chicago politics or politicians?

Matt

"'Vejita' S. Cousin" wrote in message
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In article
outaviation.com,
As far as Megis: which contractor received the contract to "steal and
destroy" the airport. Daley has for years publicly stated his intention
to close down Megis, then he did it. (After Boyer "took him on." LOL)
The
people of Chicago elected him knowing of his plans to bulldoze that
airport.

There's the planning to do it, wanting to do it, and the legal right
to do it.

Daley did NOT have the legal right to destroy Meigs, strand
planes, and violate the FAA grant for public use.

Actually he did.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"'Vejita' S. Cousin" wrote in message
...
Daley did NOT have the legal right to destroy Meigs, strand
planes, and violate the FAA grant for public use.

Actually he did.

He did have the legal right to destroy Meigs.

He did NOT have the legal right to strand airplanes, or to violate the FAA
grant. Thus the $12K penalty for failing to provide adequate notice, and
the likely multi-million dollar penalty for misusing FAA funds.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"'Vejita' S. Cousin" wrote in message
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Daley did NOT have the legal right to destroy Meigs, strand
planes, and violate the FAA grant for public use.

Actually he did.

He did have the legal right to destroy Meigs.

He did NOT have the legal right to strand airplanes, or to violate the FAA
grant. Thus the $12K penalty for failing to provide adequate notice, and
the likely multi-million dollar penalty for misusing FAA funds.

Pete

There will be no multi-million penalty. The $12K fine isn't worth
mentioning.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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There will be no multi-million penalty.

I'll bet you $50 that there will be, payable when the investigation is over
and closed, and the city is either found liable for the penalty, or is free
and clear of all action by the FAA on the matter.

The $12K fine isn't worth mentioning.

Well, no...I guess you wouldn't think so, since it undermines your claim
that Daley had the legal right to do everything Vejita said he did.

However, that doesn't mean your reply to him was correct.

Pete

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 04:45:30 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote in ::

There will be no multi-million penalty.

Do you think the city of Chicago's defense is credible?


http://tinyurl.com/d3t98
News Archive
City: Using fed funds to rip up Meigs was legal

December 5, 2004

BY MARK J. KONKOL Transportation Reporter Advertisement

Chicago officials Friday sent a 43-page legal brief to the Federal
Aviation Administration in response to the agency's probe into
whether the city illegally used airport funds to shut down Meigs
Field.

In October, the FAA launched an investigation into whether the
city illegally diverted $1.5 million in federal airport
development funds intended for O'Hare Airport to rip up the Meigs
runway and tear down its air traffic control tower.

The FAA has also ordered the city to pay a $33,000 fine for not
giving 30 days' notice before closing the airport.

City officials say the FAA knew the airport was being torn up.
They also admit using the airport cash and say they actually spent
$2.8 million to remove Meigs from Northerly Island. But they
contend it was legal to use that money to dismantle the airstrip.

The letter to the FAA says there is precedent for using airport
funds to dismantle airports, citing cases in Denver and Austin,
Texas.

"We make the point that these costs are related to the removal of
airport infrastructure and environmental remediation," city Law
Department spokeswoman Jenny Hoyle said. "It's not in the public
interest for a municipality to leave behind an abandoned airport.
... We used the revenue carefully. It was not used for
redevelopment or urban renewal."

FAA spokesman Tony Molinaro declined to comment Friday because he
had not seen the city's written response.

If the FAA finds Chicago used airport funds improperly, the city
could be fined $4.5 million.
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http://tinyurl.com/8qwhb
Airport Money Misused Chicago used airport money to destroy Meigs.
The City of Chicago is telling the FAA that Meigs Field was an
"abandoned" airport that had to be cleaned up.
That assertion comes in response to an FAA probe into
whether the city illegally used federal funds. AOPA President Phil
Boyer described the city's stance as "another insult." Acting on a
complaint filed by AOPA in February, the FAA has proposed fining
Chicago $33,100, the maximum allowed, for not providing a required
30-day notice before closing Meigs Field. The FAA is also
investigating whether the city illegally diverted $1.5 million in
federal funds intended for O'Hare Airport improvements to rip up
Meigs' runway and tear down the control tower. In a 40-page legal
brief responding to the FAA's notice of investigation, Chicago
admitted that it actually spent $2.8 million of O'Hare and Midway
airport development funds to destroy Meigs and remove any
evidence that it was once an airport. "Meigs Field was willfully
destroyed by elected officials using public monies that were
intended for airport construction, not destruction," Boyer said.
"We're analyzing the city's brief to determine if there is an
appropriate legal response from AOPA. But it's clear that the city
is—once again—engaging in revisionist history and justification."
If the FAA determines Chicago used airport funds improperly, it
could fine the city three times the amount of diverted funds. That
could make the fine as much as $8.4 million. (….from AOPA ePilot)
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 04:45:30 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote in ::

There will be no multi-million penalty.

Do you think the city of Chicago's defense is credible?

No I don't but that has absolutely nothing to do with the city being
assessed a penalty. It's all politics you know.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
.. .
Do you think the city of Chicago's defense is credible?

No I don't but that has absolutely nothing to do with the city being
assessed a penalty. It's all politics you know.

There's a difference between a "legal right" and "getting away with it".

Oh well...at least you admitted you were wrong.

big difference between the Denver airport that was eliminated and
Meigs. When DIA (DEN in aerospeak) was legally opened for commercial
avtivities, Stapleton was required to be closed. And there was
very little GA traffic there, unlike Meigs, which was pretty much
entirely GA.

Stapleton was Class B. Meigs (and Austin) wasn't.