Comments on FAA NPRM urgently needed

Cap, we are talking about the airspace in the DC area. You are
referring to all of the airspace class B and C. A little
extreme....no?


By the way what are you Capt. of?

"PokerGTA.com" wrote in message
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Cap, we are talking about the airspace in the DC area. You are
referring to all of the airspace class B and C. A little
extreme....no?

Even if the only airspace affected was that currently affected, this would
be a bad rule change. Especially when one considers that Congress is
*still* waiting to hear back from the DHS and FAA with respect to their
explanation for why the ADIZ is necessary in the first place.

The ADIZ does nothing to protect DC from terrorists, but it does provide a
lot of wasteful make-work for law enforcement, as well as is a fairly
onerous trap for pilots (unwary or otherwise).

However, it's certainly not a stretch to imagine that if the FAA is
successful in making permanent the DC area ADIZ, they would be pressured to
create similar ADIZ's elsewhere. Just because the current NPRM is only
proposing to make the DC ADIZ permanent, that doesn't mean it's not relevant
to airspace elsewhere.

If you are truly interested in the finer details of the issue, there has
been MORE than ample discussion right here in this newsgroup, time and time
again. Google Groups will show you everything that anyone could post in
response to your naive question.

By the way what are you Capt. of?

Why does it matter what he's a Captain of?

Pete

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:05:38 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote in
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However, it's certainly not a stretch to imagine that if the FAA is
successful in making permanent the DC area ADIZ, they would be pressured to
create similar ADIZ's elsewhere.

Oh, you mean like the 'permanent Temporary Flight Restriction over
Disneyland that does nothing to enhance security:

http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/TFR.cfm?list=all
3/2123 - FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS ANAHEIM, CA. EFFECTIVE 0303182000
UTC (MARCH 18 AT 1200 LOCAL) UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. PURSUANT TO
RESTRICTIONS DETAILED IN SECTION 352 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-7, AND 14
CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS. AIRCRAFT FLIGHT
OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED AT AND BELOW 3,000 FEET AGL, WITHIN A 3
NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF THE DISNEYLAND THEME PARK
(334805N/1175517W OR THE SEAL BEACH /SLI/ 067 DEGREE RADIAL AT 6.7
NAUTICAL MILES. THIS RESTRICTION DOES NOT APPLY TO (A) THOSE
AIRCRAFT AUTHORIZED BY ATC FOR OPERATIONAL OR SAFETY PURPOSES,
INCLUDING AIRCRAFT ARRIVING OR DEPARTING FROM AN AIRPORT USING
STANDARD AIR TRAFFIC PROCEDURES; (B) DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, LAW
ENFORCEMENT, OR AEROMEDICAL FLIGHT OPERATIONS THAT ARE IN CONTACT
WITH ATC. THOSE WHO MEET ANY OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA MAY APPLY
FOR A WAIVER TO THESE RESTRICTIONS: (A) FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES
OF THE VENUE INCLUDING THE TRANSPORTATION OF EQUIPMENT OR
OFFICIALS OF THE GOVERNING BODY; (B) FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY
PURPOSES OF THE VENUE. INFORMATION REGARDING WAIVER APPLICATIONS
CAN BE OBTAINED FROM THE FAA WEBSITE AT
HTTP://WWW.FAA.GOV/ATS/ATA/WAIVER, OR BY CALLING 571-227-1322. 18
MAR 20:00 UNTIL UFN

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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Oh, you mean like the 'permanent Temporary Flight Restriction over
Disneyland that does nothing to enhance security: [...]

No, of course not. And I also don't mean like the new Prohibited Area that
was placed over the Bangor Navy sub base here in Washington State. Nor do I
mean like the proposed Prohibited Area over another Navy installation on the
East Coast (St. Mary's? sorry...I forget the exact name).

Oh, wait...you're right, I DO mean exactly like those.

By the way, those airspace restrictions should give some insight into just
how likely it is any comments at this point in the rule-making will change
the direction the FAA is headed. For example, the response to the NPRM for
the Bangor Prohibited Area was well over 90% against any restrictions there
at all, most comments including a number of well-reasoned and clearly-stated
objections.

Those still with enough energy to put up the good fight, feel free to
comment. But I hope no one thinks it's going to change anything at this
point. The FAA has demonstrated quite clearly what they think of the NPRM
process: it's just some procedural hand-waving they are required by law to
go through, and they need not actually pay any attention whatsoever to the
feedback they receive through it.

Pete

Oh GET REAL! wink Ya know the terrorists are really looking to knock-off,
Mickey!

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Cecil Chapman wrote:
Oh GET REAL! wink Ya know the terrorists are really looking to knock-off,
Mickey!

Wait. I thought Mickey *was* the terrorist... I'm so confused...


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chill pal! Just curious.

"PokerGTA.com" wrote in message
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Cap, we are talking about the airspace in the DC area. You are
referring to all of the airspace class B and C. A little
extreme....no?


By the way what are you Capt. of?

Not extreme at all. You are too trusting of the govt bureaucracy. If the DC
area is made permanent you can bet that they will attempt to do the same
with Class B and maybe Class C. Just look at Chicago. The mayor has
repeatedly asked the govt to "protect" the area with airspace
connfigurations like D.C.

It will spread like a plague.

My 2 cents.

John Severyn
KLVK

J. Severyn wrote:

"PokerGTA.com" wrote in message
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Cap, we are talking about the airspace in the DC area. You are
referring to all of the airspace class B and C. A little
extreme....no?


By the way what are you Capt. of?


Not extreme at all. You are too trusting of the govt bureaucracy. If the DC
area is made permanent you can bet that they will attempt to do the same
with Class B and maybe Class C. Just look at Chicago. The mayor has
repeatedly asked the govt to "protect" the area with airspace
connfigurations like D.C.

It will spread like a plague.

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security,
deserve neither liberty or security." -- Benjamin Franklin

This country is slowly becoming a military state. At the current pace,
by this time next century, the Bill of Rights will have been repealed.
(Rather, the rest of the Bill of Rights will have been repealed.)

This is just one more example of it. It only seems to be an "aviation
only" issue on the surface. The ramifications run much deeper. It
won't be long before you will need to stop and show your papers to enter DC.

If the ADIZ over Northern Virginia, Maryland, and DC is made permanent,
a precedent will have been set that will allow other cities to do the
same. The most frustrating part about it is that it does absolutely
nothing to improve security. Like the majority of the airport security
checks, it's just to make the average person feel safer. If someone
wanted to hijack a plane and fly it into the White House, they could do
it just as easily today as they could have five years ago. Anyone who
thinks that the airport security checks and ADIZ do anything to prevent
that is a blind fool.


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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:33:02 -0400, "Mark T. Dame"
wrote in ::


"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security,
deserve neither liberty or security." -- Benjamin Franklin

This country is slowly becoming a military state. At the current pace,
by this time next century, the Bill of Rights will have been repealed.
(Rather, the rest of the Bill of Rights will have been repealed.)

If the GOP continues to occupy the Executive branch, have the majority
in both houses of Congress, and GOP Justices dominate the Judicial
branch, it won't take but a few more years for the Bill Of Rights to
be supplanted by mandatory church attendance with the priests publicly
molesting our children under the guise of a Faith Based Initiative.
:-(