Capt. Al Haynes sorta OT.

"Richard Hertz" wrote

The bottom line is - there are plenty of qualified people lined up to take
the teaching jobs at the current salary levels.

You are so far out in left field, I only will make a couple comments. You
are completely wrong about the supply of teachers. Perhaps there are
surplus numbers in elementary and humanities, but it is almost impossible to
find science and math teachers who are well qualified, and gets harder every
year.

Teacher's salaries have grown at under the cost of living, under inflation,
and has meant less disposable income, even when taking into account pay
raises for each years service. Not too many professions can claim that
proud distinction.

Come take my teaching job. See how you like it. You won't last a year.
--
Jim in NC

A year ago December the teachers in our district went on strike for
better pay and benefits. The conventional wisdom is that your typical
public school teacher is lucky to make $30K after many hard years of
teaching. Since teachers salaries are a matter of public record a full
page ad was taken out in the Sunday paper the first weekend of the
strike. Every teacher in the school district was listed, by name, and
how much they made for that current school year. Turns out the average
teacher salary is $41.5 here with 25-30% of the teachers making more
than $50K per year. Starting pay was mid $20's. You could literally
see the support for the teachers evaporate on that Sunday. A settlement
was reached shortly there after. A teacher strike will not ever happen
here again.


Morgans wrote:

"Richard Hertz" wrote

The bottom line is - there are plenty of qualified people lined up to take
the teaching jobs at the current salary levels.


You are so far out in left field, I only will make a couple comments. You
are completely wrong about the supply of teachers. Perhaps there are
surplus numbers in elementary and humanities, but it is almost impossible to
find science and math teachers who are well qualified, and gets harder every
year.

Teacher's salaries have grown at under the cost of living, under inflation,
and has meant less disposable income, even when taking into account pay
raises for each years service. Not too many professions can claim that
proud distinction.

Come take my teaching job. See how you like it. You won't last a year.

Thank you - someone with real numbers. I have done similar investigating
here and the differential for salaries here on Long Island NY is also not as
bad as teachers complain. While taxpayers are facing layoffs and no raises,
the school districts around here are still doing the usual raises.


"Newps" wrote in message
news:dFnLb.1747$8H.8088@attbi_s03...
A year ago December the teachers in our district went on strike for
better pay and benefits. The conventional wisdom is that your typical
public school teacher is lucky to make $30K after many hard years of
teaching. Since teachers salaries are a matter of public record a full
page ad was taken out in the Sunday paper the first weekend of the
strike. Every teacher in the school district was listed, by name, and
how much they made for that current school year. Turns out the average
teacher salary is $41.5 here with 25-30% of the teachers making more
than $50K per year. Starting pay was mid $20's. You could literally
see the support for the teachers evaporate on that Sunday. A settlement
was reached shortly there after. A teacher strike will not ever happen
here again.


Morgans wrote:

"Richard Hertz" wrote

The bottom line is - there are plenty of qualified people lined up to
take
the teaching jobs at the current salary levels.


You are so far out in left field, I only will make a couple comments.
You
are completely wrong about the supply of teachers. Perhaps there are
surplus numbers in elementary and humanities, but it is almost
impossible to
find science and math teachers who are well qualified, and gets harder
every
year.

Teacher's salaries have grown at under the cost of living, under
inflation,
and has meant less disposable income, even when taking into account pay
raises for each years service. Not too many professions can claim that
proud distinction.

Come take my teaching job. See how you like it. You won't last a year.

"Richard Hertz" wrote

Thank you - someone with real numbers. I have done similar investigating
here and the differential for salaries here on Long Island NY is also not
as
bad as teachers complain. While taxpayers are facing layoffs and no
raises,
the school districts around here are still doing the usual raises.
**************************************************

New York isn't NC, or many of the other states.

What is the rank of NY, in relation to the whole country, Richard?

I'm not going to bother to look it up, since it will not change your mind.
I've made my invitation, to you, and any others. Come to NC and teach math
or science. You said you were changing careers. Put your money where your
mouth is. Until then shut up. Back up those claims. Good luck with you
being one of the 60k earners! It shouldn't be any risk, if you are so sure
of your claims.

Figures lie, and liars figure. Come live the life.

Oh, by the way, how many of those 50 - 60k teachers had doctorates? What
would a doctorate of psychology make in the same area? It is about the same
level of education.

I'm done defending teachers. We don't deserve the bashing, and surely don't
need it..
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Richard Hertz" wrote

Thank you - someone with real numbers. I have done similar
investigating
here and the differential for salaries here on Long Island NY is also
not
as
bad as teachers complain. While taxpayers are facing layoffs and no
raises,
the school districts around here are still doing the usual raises.
**************************************************

New York isn't NC, or many of the other states.

New York isn't a grapefruit either. What the hell has that got to do with
anything?


What is the rank of NY, in relation to the whole country, Richard?

Rank in what?


I'm not going to bother to look it up, since it will not change your mind.
I've made my invitation, to you, and any others. Come to NC and teach math
or science. You said you were changing careers. Put your money where your
mouth is. Until then shut up. Back up those claims. Good luck with you
being one of the 60k earners! It shouldn't be any risk, if you are so
sure
of your claims.

I can care less about the salary, I am going in it for the benefits and the
vacation. I don;t need the money.



Figures lie, and liars figure. Come live the life.

Oh, by the way, how many of those 50 - 60k teachers had doctorates? What
would a doctorate of psychology make in the same area? It is about the
same
level of education.

Doctors of psych? I doubt they make much. Not worth the degree, that is
for sure.


I'm done defending teachers. We don't deserve the bashing, and surely
don't
need it..

I am not bashing teachers - there is nothing to defend. I am going to be
one. What I am trying to point out is that teachers are paid fairly.

--
Jim in NC

Newps wrote:

Turns out the average
teacher salary is $41.5 here with 25-30% of the teachers making more
than $50K per year.

Fifteen years ago, the figures for the Franklin Township high school were made
public. The janitor was making more than a CS major with a master's degree would
get as starting pay ($41,000). The school had two principals, both making over
$110,000. Teachers salaries were in the $70,000 range and up.

They don't publicize the figures any more.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


Newps wrote:

Turns out the average
teacher salary is $41.5 here with 25-30% of the teachers making more
than $50K per year.

Fifteen years ago, the figures for the Franklin Township high school were
made
public. The janitor was making more than a CS major with a master's degree
would
get as starting pay ($41,000). The school had two principals, both making
over
$110,000. Teachers salaries were in the $70,000 range and up.

They don't publicize the figures any more.

They also stopped publishing stats around the country when someone pointed
out that half or more of school spending was just "administrators"....like
third assistant vice-principals.

In NYC it is common for the head janitor to be over a hundred grand...

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
news

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


Newps wrote:

Turns out the average
teacher salary is $41.5 here with 25-30% of the teachers making more
than $50K per year.

Fifteen years ago, the figures for the Franklin Township high school
were
made
public. The janitor was making more than a CS major with a master's
degree
would
get as starting pay ($41,000). The school had two principals, both
making
over
$110,000. Teachers salaries were in the $70,000 range and up.

They don't publicize the figures any more.

They also stopped publishing stats around the country when someone pointed
out that half or more of school spending was just "administrators"....like
third assistant vice-principals.

"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
...
In NYC it is common for the head janitor to be over a hundred grand...

DAmn!

Morgans wrote:
"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
...

In NYC it is common for the head janitor to be over a hundred grand...


DAmn!



But have you checked the cost of living in NYC lately? 100 grand is
probably barely above poverty level... :-)


Matt