Gas Prices -- Help at last?

Newps wrote:
wrote:


That the world is warming is not in question, the numbers are obvious.
What is causing it to warm is still in debate (especially by the Bush
White House), but a great number of scientists feel that man and the
greenhouse gasses he produces is likely the root cause.

Which shows the arrogance of man. I just finsihed reading a book about
the Viking explorers. They settled Iceland and Greenland around the
years 750-1050 AD. The "scientists" say that they were able to stay
there at all is because about the time they got there corresponded to a
global warming cycle that made the glaciers recede, the winters easier
and the summers warmer and longer. About the time they left corresponds
to the "Little Ice Age".

Well, the descendants of the original settlers are still living in
Iceland, farming it and living a pretty good life. They haven=B4t left
at all.

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Well, the descendants of the original settlers are still living in
Iceland, farming it and living a pretty good life. They haven´t left
at all.

they had a few close calls though.... (just finished reading "Collapse"
by Jared Diamond -- you might want to have a look) --

just to get back on topic (well sortof): interesting how often
threads on this newsgroup tend to digress; my theory is that pilots
are folks with lots of varied interests :-)

--Sylvain

Sylvain wrote:
wrote:
Well, the descendants of the original settlers are still living in
Iceland, farming it and living a pretty good life. They haven=B4t left
at all.

they had a few close calls though.... (just finished reading "Collapse"
by Jared Diamond -- you might want to have a look) --

Jared Diamond is talking total nonsense, he knows nothing at all about
Iceland.

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Jared Diamond is talking total nonsense, he knows nothing at all about
Iceland.

lol...

If I had to take a random guess between trusting what you write, and
trusting what Jared Diamond writes, I'll pick Diamond every time. I don't
know anything about you, but Diamond has been studying and writing about a
wide variety of topics, but especially genetics and medicine, for coming on
two decades (that I'm aware of), and doing a very good job at it at that.

You might as well have posted "Albert Einstein is talking total nonesense,
he knows nothing at all about the universe".

Peter Duniho wrote:
wrote in message
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Jared Diamond is talking total nonsense, he knows nothing at all about
Iceland.

lol...

If I had to take a random guess between trusting what you write, and
trusting what Jared Diamond writes, I'll pick Diamond every time. I don't
know anything about you, but Diamond has been studying and writing about a
wide variety of topics, but especially genetics and medicine, for coming on
two decades (that I'm aware of), and doing a very good job at it at that.

You might as well have posted "Albert Einstein is talking total nonesense,
he knows nothing at all about the universe".

Yes, I could but I know that what he writes about Iceland has not got
any basis in fact and I know this first hand because I live here and
have studied here and I know that his views have no factual grounding,
they are based upon misunderstandings and heresay.

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Yes, I could but I know that what he writes about Iceland has not got
any basis in fact and I know this first hand because I live here and
have studied here and I know that his views have no factual grounding

I haven't read the book in question, but his reputation precedes himself.
As far as your qualifications to dispute the book go, assuming it's similar
to the kind of studies he's done in the past, his book covers FAR more than
just the short period of time you've lived in Iceland. Absent a parallel
study in the same depth he's likely to have done, your personal experiences
are meaningless.

I doubt you know as much as you claim to.

Peter Duniho wrote:
wrote in message
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Yes, I could but I know that what he writes about Iceland has not got
any basis in fact and I know this first hand because I live here and
have studied here and I know that his views have no factual grounding

I haven't read the book in question, but his reputation precedes himself.

What kind of a reputation does he have?

As far as your qualifications to dispute the book go, assuming it's similar
to the kind of studies he's done in the past, his book covers FAR more than
just the short period of time you've lived in Iceland. Absent a parallel
study in the same depth he's likely to have done, your personal experiences
are meaningless.

I do not base my knowledge on just personal experience but on the
studies on climate and weather that has been made here in Iceland.

I doubt you know as much as you claim to.

We all become aware, as we grow older, that we always know less than we
imagine
and I do not doubt that the same thing also applies to you.

wrote:
Jared Diamond is talking total nonsense, he knows nothing at all about
Iceland.


out of interest have you actually read Diamond's book or are you
basing this opinion on my very bad and short summary of the previous
message?

--Sylvain

Sylvain wrote:
wrote:
Jared Diamond is talking total nonsense, he knows nothing at all about
Iceland.


out of interest have you actually read Diamond's book or are you
basing this opinion on my very bad and short summary of the previous
message?


Yes, I have read his book and his conclusions are quite interesting but
they are (at least in the case of Iceland) based on very misleading
information and outdated studies.

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Newps wrote:

wrote:


That the world is warming is not in question, the numbers are obvious.
What is causing it to warm is still in debate (especially by the Bush
White House), but a great number of scientists feel that man and the
greenhouse gasses he produces is likely the root cause.

Which shows the arrogance of man. I just finsihed reading a book about
the Viking explorers. They settled Iceland and Greenland around the
years 750-1050 AD. The "scientists" say that they were able to stay
there at all is because about the time they got there corresponded to a
global warming cycle that made the glaciers recede, the winters easier
and the summers warmer and longer. About the time they left corresponds
to the "Little Ice Age".


Well, the descendants of the original settlers are still living in
Iceland, farming it and living a pretty good life. They haven´t left
at all.

Because they went back. Greenland and Iceland were devoid of humans for
quite a while there.