Gas Prices -- Help at last?

Morgans wrote:

We need more refineries, because too many eggs are in one basket, that is,
the refineries in a very small area of the Gulf of Mexico.

No, there are several concentrations. Quite a few are located near Newark, for
example.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:



"Running out" to me infers having ZERO capacity; "running short" means
not being able to keep up with demand. That, to me, is a significant
difference. My take on the other Matt is that he means we're losing _all
our capacity_.

What I meant was running out of EXCESS capacity. I think that was pretty
clear from the context, but I realize that some people aren't able to
understand context and need things spelled out literally.


And there are people that blow context during their responses.

The context of the article/sub-thread was CAPACITY, and Mike Rappaport kept
quoting OUTPUT numbers.

There are also people who don't communicate worth a crap and expect people
to know what they meant. Wives are good for that.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Morgans wrote:

We need more refineries, because too many eggs are in one basket, that
is,
the refineries in a very small area of the Gulf of Mexico.

No, there are several concentrations. Quite a few are located near Newark,
for example.

How many of the 149? How many are on earthquake fault lines in California?

Having a refinery in Newark, with NJ's corruption, is probably as bad as
having one in California with hurricanes! :~)

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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Newps wrote:

Man couldn't affect the temp of the
globe one way or the other if he set out to do it.

of course global temps can be affected. Pop off a few nukes
and wait.

Like the above ground nuke testing done in the 50's and still done
occasionally today?

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Newps wrote:

wrote:


That the world is warming is not in question, the numbers are obvious.
What is causing it to warm is still in debate (especially by the Bush
White House), but a great number of scientists feel that man and the
greenhouse gasses he produces is likely the root cause.

Which shows the arrogance of man. I just finsihed reading a book about
the Viking explorers. They settled Iceland and Greenland around the
years 750-1050 AD. The "scientists" say that they were able to stay
there at all is because about the time they got there corresponded to a
global warming cycle that made the glaciers recede, the winters easier
and the summers warmer and longer. About the time they left corresponds
to the "Little Ice Age".


Well, the descendants of the original settlers are still living in
Iceland, farming it and living a pretty good life. They haven´t left
at all.

Because they went back. Greenland and Iceland were devoid of humans for
quite a while there.

Matt Barrow wrote:

How many of the 149?

I haven't found anything conclusive on the web. Four companies have refineries
in the State, but each may have several. That's just NJ, of course; PA, UT, ND,
VA, and NY also have refineries. I'm sure there are many other states that host
these facilities.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:21:36 -0600, Newps wrote:

Which shows the arrogance of man. I just finsihed reading a book about
the Viking explorers. They settled Iceland and Greenland around the
years 750-1050 AD. The "scientists" say that they were able to stay
there at all is because about the time they got there corresponded to a
global warming cycle that made the glaciers recede, the winters easier
and the summers warmer and longer. About the time they left corresponds
to the "Little Ice Age". The simple fact of the matter is that the
earth cools and warms on its own. Man couldn't affect the temp of the
globe one way or the other if he set out to do it.

As far as the global warming trend goes, it doesn't matter whether the
cause is manmade or natural. The point is it's happening.

Greenhouse gasses can be emitted by nature as well as by industry and
auto pollution.

And around 95% of greenhouse gases are natural.

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Newps wrote:
wrote:


That the world is warming is not in question, the numbers are obvious.
What is causing it to warm is still in debate (especially by the Bush
White House), but a great number of scientists feel that man and the
greenhouse gasses he produces is likely the root cause.

Which shows the arrogance of man. I just finsihed reading a book about
the Viking explorers. They settled Iceland and Greenland around the
years 750-1050 AD. The "scientists" say that they were able to stay
there at all is because about the time they got there corresponded to a
global warming cycle that made the glaciers recede, the winters easier
and the summers warmer and longer. About the time they left corresponds
to the "Little Ice Age".

Well, the descendants of the original settlers are still living in
Iceland, farming it and living a pretty good life. They haven´t left
at all.

Iceland is not Greenland. Iceland is warmed by ocean currents and has been
inhabited for centuries, unlike Greenland which is pretty much
un-inhabitable ANYMORE except on very limited scale (non-self-supporting).

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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What kind of capacity?

Gasoline? From what type of crude?
Heating Oil/Kerosene/Diesel? from what type of crude?
Cracking capacity?

It is pretty clear that you are totally ignorant of the energy industry
and the whole refining process.

At least I know the difference between capacity and output. Some industry
genius you are if you can't tell the difference.


The fact that you are even asking the questions indicates that you don't
know where the facts are even located or which facts are important. You
are an employee of a *ucking real estate developer, what the *uck do you
know about petroleum or its refining?

No, ****tard, I AM THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER.


How many oil company CEOs do you talk to in an average month? How long
ago did you see the current commodity price increases coming? How much
did you profit from it? An answer rounded to the nearest $10 million will
do.


Ahhh...the spin from he master of the non-sequitur when he's caught with his
pants down.

Blow is out your ass; you haven't made even a single relevant point. What
you've done is jump off on irrelevant tangents , blow context and try to
cover your ass.

And Mike, your attempts at argument from intimidation don't work on me no
matter how loud you beat on your chest.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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The world is not as simply as you and Barrow want to think it is there are
two issues with changing the rules (any rules) or suspending them.
Everytime you change the rules you advantage or disadvantage those one
side of the time when the rules were changed.

Come back when you learn the rules of logic.

PLONK