Gas Prices -- Help at last?

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote:

Come back when you learn the rules of logic.

PLONK

Once again you've gotten yourself into an argument with one of your
betters on a subject you know little about, been shown up as a blowhard,
and run away with your tail between your legs. This is becoming your
trademark.

How about plonking me, too, while you're at it?


Hey, Dan, ever find that spokesman for free markets?

I'll leave yours open in case you ever find one.

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote:

Come back when you learn the rules of logic.

PLONK

Once again you've gotten yourself into an argument with one of your
betters on a subject you know little about, been shown up as a blowhard,
and run away with your tail between your legs. This is becoming your
trademark.

How about plonking me, too, while you're at it?

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM



Add me to the list. Matt is right up there with Skylune for relevance,
accuracy and intelligent debate.

Michael

Matt Barrow wrote:
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I see by the map that Greenland has a few small towns and an USAF base, all
right on the coast. Population is 56K, population of Iceland is 297K five
times more.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/gl.html

What am I missing?

I do not know, I was not talking about populations either.
I was answering a poster who claimed that Iceland had been depopulated
because of climate sometime after the settlement period, something that
never happened.
He referred to both Iceland and Greenland and then you felt compelled
to inform me that Iceland is not Greenland, something that I knew
already, as I live right here in Iceland.
No, I do not know what you are missing.

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Matt Barrow wrote:
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Iceland is not Greenland. Iceland is warmed by ocean currents and has been
inhabited for centuries, unlike Greenland which is pretty much
un-inhabitable ANYMORE except on very limited scale (non-self-supporting).

I know that, but the original poster does not seem to have known that
and it seems quite common misconception that both countries were
uninhabited for long periods.
Greenland has actually quite large areas that are quite inhabitable but
the island is so large that those areas are only a very small part of
the total size of the country. I belive that the "green" areas in
Greenland may well be larger than the "green" areas of Iceland.

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Jared Diamond is talking total nonsense, he knows nothing at all about
Iceland.

lol...

If I had to take a random guess between trusting what you write, and
trusting what Jared Diamond writes, I'll pick Diamond every time. I don't
know anything about you, but Diamond has been studying and writing about a
wide variety of topics, but especially genetics and medicine, for coming on
two decades (that I'm aware of), and doing a very good job at it at that.

You might as well have posted "Albert Einstein is talking total nonesense,
he knows nothing at all about the universe".

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 07:00:24 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
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"Roger" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:51:16 -0500, "Montblack"
wrote:

("Bob Noel" wrote)
Man couldn't affect the temp of the
globe one way or the other if he set out to do it.

of course global temps can be affected. Pop off a few nukes
and wait.


I'd rather wait for the next volcano to erupt. Less political ...fallout.

Glad you added the "political" to that. One in the Snake River Valley
deposited ash something like 12 to 15 feet deep clear over in kansas.
Now that is a *lot* of fallout:-))

Roger, you're older than I thought!!

There's a few of us on here than have been accused of being older'n
dirt.:-))

BTW, if you look at the US map on the "Weather Channel" you can see a
"smiley" across Utah with the upper right end going into NW Wyoming.
That's the Snake River Basin/Valley. Apparently that is the path
followed by the "hot spot" that now feeds Yellowstone. Currently they
figure the magma chamber is about 50 KM long by 20 or 30 wide by6 or 7
thick. If I recall correctly one estimate put the volume of the
chamber at 20,000 to 3,000 cubic miles. That'd make more of a mess
than the tree full of Gold Finches out front of the house.

However I do need to either wear a rain jacket, carry an umbrella, or
fill the feeders after dark. I counted 30 on the ground, 10 in the
bird bath and 10 plus on each of the two feeders. They wouldn't hold
still long enough for me to count how many were in the tree. I'm
going through 10# of thistle seed every 4 days. It'd be pretty if
they had their summer colors.

Of course the cats have this all figured out so when I let them out in
the morning they head right for the big living room window where they
take up residence waiting for the dumb ones to fly into the window,
knock themselves out and instant fresh meat with no work.

Why are those three cats lined up under your living room window?
They're waiting for lunch. Lunch? Yup and they are well fed
too.:-)) Darwinism at its best.

I gotta get a picture of that to put up on my page.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:02:39 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:21:36 -0600, Newps wrote:

Which shows the arrogance of man. I just finsihed reading a book about
the Viking explorers. They settled Iceland and Greenland around the
years 750-1050 AD. The "scientists" say that they were able to stay
there at all is because about the time they got there corresponded to a
global warming cycle that made the glaciers recede, the winters easier
and the summers warmer and longer. About the time they left corresponds
to the "Little Ice Age". The simple fact of the matter is that the
earth cools and warms on its own. Man couldn't affect the temp of the
globe one way or the other if he set out to do it.

As far as the global warming trend goes, it doesn't matter whether the
cause is manmade or natural. The point is it's happening.

Greenhouse gasses can be emitted by nature as well as by industry and
auto pollution.

And around 95% of greenhouse gases are natural.

After a thunderstorm the Ozone level is way out of limits permitted by
the clean air act, or what ever it's called.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Peter Duniho wrote:
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Jared Diamond is talking total nonsense, he knows nothing at all about
Iceland.

lol...

If I had to take a random guess between trusting what you write, and
trusting what Jared Diamond writes, I'll pick Diamond every time. I don't
know anything about you, but Diamond has been studying and writing about a
wide variety of topics, but especially genetics and medicine, for coming on
two decades (that I'm aware of), and doing a very good job at it at that.

You might as well have posted "Albert Einstein is talking total nonesense,
he knows nothing at all about the universe".

Yes, I could but I know that what he writes about Iceland has not got
any basis in fact and I know this first hand because I live here and
have studied here and I know that his views have no factual grounding,
they are based upon misunderstandings and heresay.

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Yes, I could but I know that what he writes about Iceland has not got
any basis in fact and I know this first hand because I live here and
have studied here and I know that his views have no factual grounding

I haven't read the book in question, but his reputation precedes himself.
As far as your qualifications to dispute the book go, assuming it's similar
to the kind of studies he's done in the past, his book covers FAR more than
just the short period of time you've lived in Iceland. Absent a parallel
study in the same depth he's likely to have done, your personal experiences
are meaningless.

I doubt you know as much as you claim to.

wrote:
Jared Diamond is talking total nonsense, he knows nothing at all about
Iceland.


out of interest have you actually read Diamond's book or are you
basing this opinion on my very bad and short summary of the previous
message?

--Sylvain

wrote:
He referred to both Iceland and Greenland and then you felt compelled
to inform me that Iceland is not Greenland, something that I knew
already, as I live right here in Iceland.
No, I do not know what you are missing.

please don't get all worked up over this: this newsgroup is
populated by a majority of americans (or folks like me having
moved there); the fact that some folks even *know* that your
island exist -- even if they might confuse it with some other
parts and get a few facts wrong like location, population,
history, etc -- is already something you'd be really happy
about, a good base for further discussion (I suspect pilots
have heard about Iceland as a convenient place to refuel on
the way across the Atlantic on the northern route :-) -- don't
get me started on the subject, I don't remember how many times
I have had to explain that I don't come from Swaziland (and how
many times my snail mail transits through this probably
really fine but completely out of the way country) :-)

what kind of GA flying do you guys do out there in Iceland?
hey, it's on my list of places where I really would like
to go eventually (on my way across the pond)

--Sylvain