No plan survives contact with the enemy...

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" said:
You picked up the north departure track, radar vectors to BAE or PETTY.
You'd be heading north until leaving Chicago approach, the
Wisconsin/Illinois state line. You also filed an outbound route over FARMM,
an arrival fix. You should file something that will pick up the west
departure track; DPA, SIMMN, HINCK.

Is there any way we non-controllers can find this stuff out, except by
experience?


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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...

Is there any way we non-controllers can find this stuff out, except by
experience?


Practically none. The A/FD has some preferred IFR routes, but they're
primarily high altitude routes between hubs. A study of them can held
discern which are the arrival routes for a location and thus which to avoid
if you're departing that area.

In article . net,
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...

Is there any way we non-controllers can find this stuff out, except by
experience?


Practically none. The A/FD has some preferred IFR routes, but they're
primarily high altitude routes between hubs. A study of them can held
discern which are the arrival routes for a location and thus which to avoid
if you're departing that area.

For the larger metropolitan areas, I've found that DUATS will sometimes
suggest departure routes when you use it's flight-planning feature.

-- Dane

On 10/17/2005 11:33, Paul Tomblin wrote:

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" said:
You picked up the north departure track, radar vectors to BAE or PETTY.
You'd be heading north until leaving Chicago approach, the
Wisconsin/Illinois state line. You also filed an outbound route over FARMM,
an arrival fix. You should file something that will pick up the west
departure track; DPA, SIMMN, HINCK.

Is there any way we non-controllers can find this stuff out, except by
experience?



We have a similar problem getting out of Sacramento Executive airport.
My CFII said that he went to the tower and got a list of preferred
routes from their secret list.

When I complained that this shouldn't be a secret, he agreed and
offered only that this is an area that should be done better.

--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA