Should a W&B list gross weight?

Ron Natalie wrote:

Well since the max weight or CG doesn't change (unless you're doing a
major modfication), just the empty weight, the equipment list with a ne
emtpy weight/moment would seem not to need to duplicate that information.

That's the conclusion to which I've been coming. I'd be more comfortable,
though, if I found something (ie. in part 43) which discussed what to do
when the maximum gross weight is altered. Since two of our club aircraft
have had such upgrades, it would just be more clear to me if I could see
the distinction drawn between modifications that do and do not alter gross
weight.

I'd also have liked to see some mechanism whereby a line was drawn for those
modifications which might or might not impact gross weight. Yes, it should
be obvious. But that uses common sense, and I fear the outcome should I
make the mistake of applying common sense to legal (esp. FAA {8^) matters.

- Andrew

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:54:02 -0400, Andrew Gideon
wrote:

Ron Natalie wrote:

Well since the max weight or CG doesn't change (unless you're doing a
major modfication), just the empty weight, the equipment list with a ne
emtpy weight/moment would seem not to need to duplicate that information.

That's the conclusion to which I've been coming. I'd be more comfortable,
though, if I found something (ie. in part 43) which discussed what to do
when the maximum gross weight is altered. Since two of our club aircraft
have had such upgrades, it would just be more clear to me if I could see
the distinction drawn between modifications that do and do not alter gross
weight.


What does the STC say? (I think they are available on line if you could
post the info regarding the STC).




I'd also have liked to see some mechanism whereby a line was drawn for those
modifications which might or might not impact gross weight. Yes, it should
be obvious. But that uses common sense, and I fear the outcome should I
make the mistake of applying common sense to legal (esp. FAA {8^) matters.

- Andrew

Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

What does the STC say?Â*Â*(IÂ*thinkÂ*theyÂ*areÂ*availableÂ*onÂ*line *ifÂ*youÂ*could
post the info regarding the STC).

I thought of that, and I tried to locate it. I could not. It is: sa703gl.

I did locate plenty of planes that had this done, though, which was fun. I
found a couple of NTSB reports regarding aircraft that had had this done,
which was less fun.

- Andrew

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:19:08 -0400, Andrew Gideon
wrote:

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

What does the STC say?**(I*think*they*are*available*on*line*if*you*c ould
post the info regarding the STC).

I thought of that, and I tried to locate it. I could not. It is: sa703gl.

I did locate plenty of planes that had this done, though, which was fun. I
found a couple of NTSB reports regarding aircraft that had had this done,
which was less fun.

- Andrew

That modification includes "• STC Paperwork Package with Gross Weight
Increase and all FAA Approved Drawings, Instructions, Flight Manual
Revisions, etc."

I will bet that in there, possible in the AFM revisions, is the "legal"
entry of the gross weight increase.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

That modification includes "• STC Paperwork Package with Gross Weight
Increase and all FAA Approved Drawings, Instructions, Flight Manual
Revisions, etc."

Where did you locate this?

- Andrew

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:56:58 -0400, Andrew Gideon
wrote:

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

That modification includes "? STC Paperwork Package with Gross Weight
Increase and all FAA Approved Drawings, Instructions, Flight Manual
Revisions, etc."

Where did you locate this?

- Andrew


http://www.pennyanaero.com/pdfs/superhawk.pdf

I looked up the STC at the FAA web site and discovered that, although they
did not have a copy of it, it was owned by Penn Yan.

I went to the Penn Yan website, and that comment is in the advertising
information for the STC. I could not locate the actual STC, though.
However, it should be with the paperwork for the aircraft, and the
appropriate AFM changes should have been made.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

I went to the Penn Yan website, and that comment is in the advertising
information for the STC. I could not locate the actual STC, though.
However, it should be with the paperwork for the aircraft, and the
appropriate AFM changes should have been made.

Thanks!

- Andrew