Young Eagle Safety

"TaxSrv" == TaxSrv writes:

TaxSrv My reaction to this activity I didn't really predict until
TaxSrv I got into it. You simply do not take aloft the child of
TaxSrv a parent, standing right there and talking to you even
TaxSrv briefly, trying actually to sense what you're like,
TaxSrv without a serious feeling of responsibility.

Yes, plus, YE flights are always day, VFR, and local (no weather to
run into on a cross-country).

"Bob Fry" wrote:

Yes, plus, YE flights are always day, VFR, and local (no weather
to
run into on a cross-country).

Considerations are narrower than that for our chapter. One
Saturday, we had to turn away everybody, due to marginal weather on
viz. Almost IFR. Come tomorrow on the announced rain date;
forecast good.

Many did, but it turned up delay again until it was 1,300 broken
and clear on the viz. We tried it for a while, but told the ground
bosses this is not good. We're up there at pattern altitude flying
the hastily modified route, to avoid somebody arriving IFR to pop
out the bottom at our field or at a nearby field's ILS. Those few
of us who can with a BOTH button, monitoring unicom and also the
satellite field Approach freq for IFR arrivals. We're not enjoying
this. Many disappointed kids again, but you can't explain why in
simple terms to parents, w/o talking scary-sounding safety issues.
We took names/phone #s to individually fly kids ad hoc on a
selected, great summer evening. The parents really appreciated
that. And most had no idea we recreational flyers treat this stuff
as seriously as the people who pilot their 757s.

Fred F.

"TaxSrv" wrote in message
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Many did, but it turned up delay again until it was 1,300 broken
and clear on the viz. We tried it for a while, but told the ground
bosses this is not good. We're up there at pattern altitude flying
the hastily modified route, to avoid somebody arriving IFR to pop
out the bottom at our field or at a nearby field's ILS. Those few
of us who can with a BOTH button, monitoring unicom and also the
satellite field Approach freq for IFR arrivals. We're not enjoying
this.

Wait, how was it possible to even make the attempt with a 1300' ceiling?
You've said you're based at LNN, right? That's Class E from 700' AGL upward,
and the pattern altitude there is 974' AGL, so with a 1300' ceiling, you'd
have been much closer than 500' to the clouds, which is illegal and
dangerous when flying VFR in controlled airspace.

Many disappointed kids again, but you can't explain why in
simple terms to parents, w/o talking scary-sounding safety issues.

I'm sorry, but withholding "scary-sounding" safety facts from the parents
just isn't right. Passengers (or their parents, if the passengers are
children) should give their informed consent to fly, rather than being
tricked into doing something that's more dangerous than they would agree to
if they were allowed to know the scary truth.

--Gary

Gary,

Metar/TAF ceiling are always AGL not MSL. This is something that
we can easily forget. Few weeks ago, we were at KLEX early in the
morning when the ceiling was 600'. With the ILS Rwy 4 DH at 1170',
at first I thought the ceiling was below minimum and decided to wait.
After few hours, the ceiling was still at 600' but the cup of coffee
livened up my brain. I then realized that the DH AGL was 200' and the
ceiling was 600' AGL not MSL so it was a go for us.

Hai Longworth

"Longworth" wrote in message
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Gary,

Metar/TAF ceiling are always AGL not MSL. This is something that
we can easily forget.

True, but I wasn't forgetting that. All the other altitudes I mentioned were
explicitly AGL too, for consistency with the ceiling measure.

--Gary

Few weeks ago, we were at KLEX early in the
morning when the ceiling was 600'. With the ILS Rwy 4 DH at 1170',
at first I thought the ceiling was below minimum and decided to wait.
After few hours, the ceiling was still at 600' but the cup of coffee
livened up my brain. I then realized that the DH AGL was 200' and the
ceiling was 600' AGL not MSL so it was a go for us.

Hai Longworth