Bullying desguised (badly) as precaution

As others have indicated, double tap refers to two shots fired body center
mass in rapid succession, followed up by one shot to the head (in case there
is body armor in play). This is standard defensive shooting methodology.
I've carried concealed for over thirty years, and fortunately have never had
to draw a weapon in defense, and hope I never have to. I have had several
times that I have had to "consider" it. If I was confronted with an enraged
man with a club (technically assault), coming at my daughter and myself, I
would have to "consider" my options, before battery resulted from the
assailant.

It doesn't sound like it got close to that point, only pointing out that if
the mall cop, (who I don't "believe" has any more legal standing than any
one else), kept coming with a club, then someone who could defend
themselves, may just do that.

A couple other points, it could be that he was just following orders from
his management. It could be that he really thought he was doing good for his
country; just misguided. It could be, like many sheeple, he lives in fear of
the boogeyman. Or he could just be a dickhead.


"Morgans" wrote in message
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"newsgroups.comcast.net" wrote

If I was there with my daughter, and he started coming at me and my
daughter
with a baton, I would have to consider doing a double tap, and one.
Although
your way was for the best.

Enlighten the group, as to what a "double tap" is, please?
--
Jim in NC

"newsgroups.comcast.net" wrote in message
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As others have indicated, double tap refers to two shots fired body center
mass in rapid succession, followed up by one shot to the head (in case
there
is body armor in play).

No, when a double tap is followed by a shot to the head it is a Mozambique.

newsgroups.comcast.net wrote:

A couple other points, it could be that he was just following orders from
his management.

The fact that he left and then returned indicates to me that he was. I suspect
he headed over to the office to ask management what to do.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:19:43 -0400, "newsgroups.comcast.net"
wrote:

As others have indicated, double tap refers to two shots fired body center
mass in rapid succession, followed up by one shot to the head (in case there
is body armor in play). This is standard defensive shooting methodology.
I've carried concealed for over thirty years, and fortunately have never had
to draw a weapon in defense, and hope I never have to. I have had several
times that I have had to "consider" it. If I was confronted with an enraged
man with a club (technically assault), coming at my daughter and myself, I
would have to "consider" my options, before battery resulted from the
assailant.

Including evaluating your options regarding fleeing the scene before
producing your weapon, right?

It doesn't sound like it got close to that point, only pointing out that if
the mall cop, (who I don't "believe" has any more legal standing than any
one else), kept coming with a club, then someone who could defend
themselves, may just do that.

The way I understand it, at least in the jurisdictions I'm familiar
with, you're only legally allowed to use the bare minimum force
necessary to deal with the oncoming assailant and escape, and if you
have the option to run, you're required to do that before shooting at
them, unless they also have a weapon with some range (a-la they have a
gun themselves). I don't think that shooting someone with a club who
is out of range of using it, who is not pursuing you, taking place in
an open area where you can run away would be justified homicide in
these parts.

I agree with everything you said. My options are, walk (or whatever to
leave), talk, defend (with the least amount of force required). I never
meant to advocate shooting someone with a club from a distance, and never
would. My point was that if someone comes at my daughter and/or me, and
"KEEPS" coming, enraged/angered with a club, then I would have to weigh my
options to defend myself, "IF" I was unable to get my daughter, and me away
safely, and not able to talk the situation down. Like I said, it doesn't
seem like the original situation got to that point. I do think that the mall
cop could have been charged with assault, if he did indicate that he was
going to use his baton, just as much as if you or I went after someone with
a club.

I don't believe that fleeing or "minimum force" are requirements everywhere,
but I agree that people should definitely know any regulations that apply to
them, per their location. You don't shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the
threat to your life.

This is my last posting on this part of the thread, as I think it's totally
OT for an aviation newsgroup.



"Peter Clark" wrote in message
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Including evaluating your options regarding fleeing the scene before
producing your weapon, right?
, may just do that.

The way I understand it, at least in the jurisdictions I'm familiar
with, you're only legally allowed to use the bare minimum force
necessary to deal with the oncoming assailant and escape, and if you
have the option to run, you're required to do that before shooting at
them, unless they also have a weapon with some range (a-la they have a
gun themselves). I don't think that shooting someone with a club who
is out of range of using it, who is not pursuing you, taking place in
an open area where you can run away would be justified homicide in
these parts.

Peter Clark wrote:

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:19:43 -0400, "newsgroups.comcast.net"
wrote:


As others have indicated, double tap refers to two shots fired body center
mass in rapid succession, followed up by one shot to the head (in case there
is body armor in play). This is standard defensive shooting methodology.
I've carried concealed for over thirty years, and fortunately have never had
to draw a weapon in defense, and hope I never have to. I have had several
times that I have had to "consider" it. If I was confronted with an enraged
man with a club (technically assault), coming at my daughter and myself, I
would have to "consider" my options, before battery resulted from the
assailant.


Including evaluating your options regarding fleeing the scene before
producing your weapon, right?


It doesn't sound like it got close to that point, only pointing out that if
the mall cop, (who I don't "believe" has any more legal standing than any
one else), kept coming with a club, then someone who could defend
themselves, may just do that.


The way I understand it, at least in the jurisdictions I'm familiar
with, you're only legally allowed to use the bare minimum force
necessary to deal with the oncoming assailant and escape, and if you
have the option to run, you're required to do that before shooting at
them, unless they also have a weapon with some range (a-la they have a
gun themselves). I don't think that shooting someone with a club who
is out of range of using it, who is not pursuing you, taking place in
an open area where you can run away would be justified homicide in
these parts.

I believe this is correct in most states, but, fortunately, no longer
true in Florida. I'm hoping other states will follow suit in the near
future as many did with the concealed carry laws. It is insane that I
should be expected to flee from somewhere that I have a right to be,
just because some perp is around.

Matt